Saturday, September 16, 2006

Solution for a Free Balochistan : All Baloch convert to Hinduism

Solution to Balochistan : All Baloch

Baluchis are a fierce tribe. They are never subdued in their entire
history except in the last 50 years where they were made slaves of
Punjabis in the name of Pakistan.

Right now, it is fair to say that they are slaves of Punjabis. Their
land is not theirs. They cannot speak in their language in assembly.
If they speak in Baluchi language in "Pakistani parliament" the mike
would be switched off and they will be forced to speak in Urdu.

When all the tribal leaders were opposed to the merger of Balochistan
into Pakistan, only Akbar Khan Bugti put faith in Pakistan and was a
prime mover in Balochistan' s integration with Pakistan.

And Pakistan has paid its thanks to Bugti in the language only
Punjabis can understand.

Now all the tribes and clans of Balochistan are opposed to Pakistan.
They want freedom from Pakistan. But how to get it?

There are two ways for it.

One is the old way.

In this way, the Baluchis need to become gurilla fighters and take on
the might of the Pakistan army. It may result in freedom from Pakistan
or it may die down when all the Baluchi fighters are killed. All those
great fighters would die with the dream of free Balochistan which may
never be fulfilled. There are many such struggles going on all over
the world which are producing nothing but deaths for the youth.
Generations of children are wasted and death by massive military
machines are destroying the future for the youngsters. Rebellion
would be ruthlessly crushed by the might of Pakistani military machine
that is been constantly fed by the money that is produced in
Balochistan. We might lose around 60000 youngsters before reaching any
agreement with Pakistani army. Yet, there is no guarantee that there
will be free Balochistan. To our sadness, we might even see that the
entire baluchi tribes are wiped off the face of earth by this rebellion.

But there is another way. That is the peaceful way, but will surely
result in free Balochistan.

This is not the way of Gandhi. If Gandhi would appear in Balochistan,
Pakistan army would not think twice before shooting Gandhi in a point
blank and move on. Pakistani army would not respect Gandhi like
British did. That is not the peaceful way I am suggesting.

The way I suggest may make you uncomfortable and not willing to take
the leap. But in my opinion, it is much more preferable than the death.

The peaceful way is to become Hindus.

The entire edifice of Pakistan is built on the concept of Islamic
nation. The four provinces are tied together in the name of pakistan
because of Islam.

If entire population of Balochistan declares themselves as Hindus,
what right pakistan has over Balochistan?

It is not one person converting to Hinduism. It has to be entire
Balochistan converting to Hinduism. If entire Balochistan become
Hindu, then immediately Pakistan loses the reason for Balochistan to
be part of Pakistan. If few Baluchis convert to Hinduism, they would
be arrested and tried in Blasphemy courts. So the tribal leaders
should decide beforehand and announce together that entire Balochistan
adopting Hinduism. Then Pakistani govt cannot arrest entire
Balochistan, can they? If all the people of Angaria,
Baloch, Barija, Bhutani, Bhutta, Bizenjo, Brahmani, Bugti, Buledi,
Burfat, Buzdar, Domki, Jadgal, Gabol, Gichki, Gola, Hasni, Hoti, Jam,
Jamali, Jamoot, Jamote, Jattak, Kalmati, Kalpar, Kansi, Khetran, Khosa,
Kolachi, Lari, Lashari, Lasi, Leghari, Magsi, Marri, Masuri, Mengal,
Nausherwani, Nothazai, Regi,Rahija Raisani, Rind, Sanjrani, Sasooli,
Shambhani, Talpur, Umrani, Wadhela, Zardari tribal leaders get
together and decide to convert to Hinduism, what can Punjabis do?

If we declare ourselves as Hindus, then Punjabis can do nothing about
it. We are not declaring a war on Pakistan militarily. But we are
declaring a war on Pakistan and its concept. Pakistan has no option
other than to leave Balochistan. Without lifting a single rifle, we
would attack pakistan in a way which destroy pakistan in a way
unimaginable. Since the entire concept of pakistan is built on
anti-Hindu and anti-India mentality, nothing would devastate Pakistan
like Balochistan converting to Hinduism. Punjabis would seeth in
anger, they would call us traiters and infidels. But, they can do
nothing about it. Punjabis can tolerate if Balochistan becomes
Christian or Buddist. If we become Christian, then Pakistan would
treat us like people of the book and continue to rule over us. But
they can never tolerate and accept if Balochistan becomes Hindu. That
is where it should hurt. The enemy is not punjabi. The enemy is the
concept of Pakistan. Once we destroy the concept of Pakistan, the
freedom is automatic. Once this is done, the whole edifice of Pakistan
would fall flat.

If entire population of Balochistan leave Islam and become Hindus,
then it would become a major world news. Then India and the world
would take notice. Then the oppression of Balochistan under Pakistani
punjabi rule would become a world issue.

If Pakistan needs to hold on to Balochistan, then it has to declare
itself as secular nation which it can never do.

Punjabis are asking for Kashmir because it has Muslim majority. If
that is the case, what right they will have if Balochistan become
Hindu? India has many regions that are muslim majority and some
regions that are Christian majority. That is why India is a secular
nation. But Pakistan prides itself as the Islamic nation. All the
regions have Muslim majority. If Balochistan becomes Hindu, then the
entire Pakistan collapses.

Let me make another thing clear. I dont suggest that all the Baluchis
should be Hindus for eternity. Hinduism does not have blasphemy laws.
Once the free Balochistan is achieved, then we can make this as a
secular nation where people can follow any religion including Islam.

Free Balochistan!

493 Comments:

At 11:42 PM, Blogger Amit said...

hey what i think , since baloch are ethnically iranians so how if they convert to zoroastrianism?. iranians are fighting islam and it would be nice if the balochis join them in the battle against islam. since even if baloch convert to hinduism it does not share border india hence less chance of intervention from india (the corrupt congress). join iranian brothers who are batteling islam. it would be nice if the balochs join iran(greater iran).indians are cousins of iranians.

 
At 5:51 AM, Blogger cornubian said...

Nationality exists in the minds of men, its only conceivable habitat. Outside men’s minds there can be no nationality, because nationality is a manner of looking at oneself not an entity an sich. Common sense is able to detect it, and the only human discipline that can describe and analyse it is psychology. This awareness, this sense of nationality, this national sentiment, is more than a characteristic of a nation. It is nationhood itself.

All nations have a right to autonomy or independence if that is what they chose.

If the Baloch chose indpendence then good luck to them. They should know that many nationalists from the United Kingdoms celtic nations support them. From Wales, Scotland and (in my case) Cornwall.

I have started a thread on Baloch independence on the Cornwall 24 message board: http://www.cornwall24.co.uk/

The Cornish are a Celtic ethnic group and nation of the southwest of Great Britain. We have our own lesser used Celtic language (Cornish), sports, festivals, cuisine, music, dance, history and identity. Cornwall also has a distinct constitutional history as a Duchy with an autonomous stannary parliament. This Celtic Cornish identity was recognised and described in the April 2006 edition of National Geographic.

The results from the 2001 UK population census show over thirty seven thousand people hold a Cornish identity instead of English or British. On this census, to claim to be Cornish, you had to deny being British, by crossing out the British option and then write Cornish in the others box. Additionally the decision to collect information on Cornish identity was extremely badly publicised.
Expressions of Cornish identity can be found in everything, from a campaign for an international Cornish sports team (like Scotland England and Wales) - http://home.btconnect.com/graham-hart/ccga.htm - through the campaign for a disestablished church of Cornwall - http://www.freethespirit.org.uk/indexr.htm - to the campaign for devolved autonomous government - http://www.cornishassembly.org/.

How many more would have described themselves as Cornish if they did not have to deny being British or if there had been a Cornish tick box? How many people knew that it was an option? How many ticked British but feel themselves to be Cornish British?

Cornwall Council’s Feb 2003 MORI Poll showed 55% in favour of a democratically-elected, fully-devolved regional assembly for Cornwall, (this was an increase from 46% in favour in a 2002 poll). Many English and other nationalities who have settled in Cornwall wish to see an assembly as some of these people identify closely with Cornwall and actually feel ‘Cornish’. London, Wales and Scotland have devolved assemblies and are still part of the United Kingdom as well as the Isle of Man, Jersey and Guernsey - why not Cornwall ? The Cornish Assembly petition was signed by 50,000 people, which is the largest expression of popular support for devolved power in the whole of the United Kingdom and possibly Europe.

In July 2000 Mebyon Kernow launched the Declaration for a Cornish Assembly campaign which some three months later led to the creation of The Cornish Constitutional Convention with the objective of establishing a devolved Assembly for Cornwall. In less than two years, it had won the support of over 50,000 people, which equates to more than 10% of the Cornish electorate. A delegation led by the West Cornwall Liberal Democrat MP Andrew George and representatives of the Cornish Constitutional Convention (Bert Biscoe, Richard Ford, Dick Cole, David Fieldsend and Andrew Climo Thompson) presented 50,000 declarations to 10 Downing Street on Wednesday 12th December 2001 calling for a Cornish Assembly. This was an opportunity to give the people of Cornwall the chance to demand greater control over their own future.

A recommendation by the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) on the ‘concept of nation’ has been backed by the European Parliament regional and minority language Intergroup.

The PACE recommendation stated that, “Everyone should be free to define themselves as a member of a cultural “nation”, irrespective of their citizenship”. In response, the Intergroup commented that ‘Council of Europe member states should avoid defining themselves in exclusively ethnic terms, and should do their utmost to help their minorities, a source of enrichment, to flourish’. Today, both the French and the British Governments still deny people from some of the Celtic countries to legally describe themselves in terms of their Celtic national identities in all areas of life. Intergroup leader Mr Csaba Tabajdi, Member of the European Parliament, said that, this recommendation is of utter importance, representing a paradigm change in the protection of minorities in Europe. It contains a new, elaborate concept of nation.

The recommendation states that: The term “nation” is deeply rooted in peoples, culture and history and incorporates fundamental elements of their identity. “It is also closely linked to political ideologies, which have exploited it and adulterated its original meaning. Furthermore, in view of the diversity of languages spoken in European countries, a concept such as nation is quite simply not translatable in many countries where, at best, only rough translations are to be found in certain national languages. Full text of the recommendation: http://assembly.coe.int/Main.asp?link=/Documents/AdoptedText/ta06/EREC1735.htm

The UK government has so far failed to recognise the Cornish people under the Council of Europe’s framework convention for the protection of national minorities.

The UK government has failed to give the people of Cornwall the democratic referendum on greater autonomy and a devolved assembly that they have shown a demand for.

1) I would like to know your position on national and linguistic minorities and in particular the Cornish question in the United Kingdom.

2) I would also like to know your thoughts on a devolved Cornish assembly.

I have enclosed some links to documents of high quality that examine the Cornish question I do hope you take the time to study them.
I look forward to your response.

Lowena dhys

Phil Hosking

The Cornish and the Council of Europe Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities http://www.geecee.co.uk/CNMR/

An Burow, the Cornish Language News Website
http://www.cornish-language-news.org/

An Daras - Cornwall’s distinctive Culture at your fingertips
http://www.an-daras.com/

Real Cornwall Site with sections on Food & Drink, People & Places, Sports & Games and Arts & Media
http://www.realcornwall.net/

The Cornish: A Neglected Nation? from the BBC by Mark Stoyle
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/empire_seapower/cornish_nation_01.shtml

Tyr-Gwyr-Gweryn, Cornish history, identity and constitution.
http://www.kernowtgg.co.uk/

The Cornish Stannary Parliament, a Cornish civil rights group
http://cornishstannaryparliament.org/

Mebyon Kernow
http://www.mebyonkernow.org/Public/Stories/89-1.shtml

Eurominority
http://www.eurominority.org/version/eng/

 
At 9:49 AM, Blogger waleed said...

BALOCH NATION IS NOT FAG....SO THE BALOCH WOULD NEVER CONVERT!
I LOVE MY SESTAN BALUCHISTAN IN IRAN AND I LOVE MY BALOCHISTAN IN PAKISTAN...........
FUCK THOSE WHO ARE MESSING WITH US AND OUR RESOURSES,,,,,
MUSLIM"SUNNI" FOR LIFE!!!!!

 
At 6:31 PM, Blogger layri kid said...

what a load of shi...t converting to Hinduism??? a baloch converting? Ha, I don't believe it.
I think you are an Indian agent and you have a sick idea,

first clean up your own back yard, drugs, prostitution, child labor, and lots more,then dream of Baluchistan, you well know our leaders have sold Baluchistan to Pakistan so be part of it, education is the key, unless you educate your people, you will never be able to achieve your goals,
I am a proud baloch I am educating my children so can you, for the freedom Baluchistan, education is the basis, no education no Baluchistan. violence does not pay, look at the Palestinians 60 years they are still struggling, at least we have a state of Baluchistan. proudly you can say I am from Baluchistan. were ever you go.

 
At 3:55 AM, Blogger arif yousuf said...

You are sadly mistaken by the talk of oppression. do what ever you like but please know that Punjabis are in minority in Punjab. all the immigrants are emerged in Punjab Baluch in Punjab are called punjabi baluch why not the punjabis be called baluch punjabi in baluchistian. Punjabis are already oppressed just have the survey but in the love of Pakistan (mother) they have never raised the voice. Freedom is right of everyone but it should be under set principals not merely blames. I am punjabi but I have very good Baluch friends. All my baluch friends are rich and they use to get triple the money than me, when we were in hostles. all Fsc 3rd div; were given admissions in professional colleges whereas 1st div punjabis were denied. Many construction projects in Baluchistan were just invoiced and never constructed by baluch contractors and their govt. partners in the province. so many pitfalls and it is in all the provinces. if mother is sick give her treatment rather than dividing her. all baluch rich were highly educated and governed the province, if they have not delivered how punjabis can be blamed. just be thankful and look for better time rather than becoming brain child of foreign sponsors. Have the history studied before your make the decisions. if you have 100 rotees and hundred guests in your home. In 100 you have 50 punjabi, 25 sindhi, 15 pushtoon and 10 baluch. which ethnic group will eat more @1 per head. Now either you make politics on more eating of a group or offer baluch hospitality. No paretns celebrate the death of their child except those who can murder their child to quench the drug addiction. A baluch mother also bears the child for 09 months not 11 months. there is no extra month to incubate baluch child. we all are oppressed by who? is a big question mark. Ethnic liberation will not solve the problem it will go further into more ethnic divisions. Have bit more bigger vision of the things and concentrate on the message (quran) never understood by all of us. thanks. Yousuf.

 
At 2:40 AM, Blogger Mir Hamed said...

Al Salam Alaikum WaRahmat Allah Wa Barakatuh. It saddens me to see such fresh blooded pure hearted strong faith Balochis are out of my vocal or visual reach. My dear brothers, before you ever think of a free Balouchistan, or any free land of your own, you must look back into the history of your ancestors, the mistakes of our fathers were made to help us learn, to avoid, to realize that somethings are of Uttermost priority. Qahtanites, beloved brothers and sisters in Tribe, Qahtanites were our first fathers, and I do not say so of an ignorant mind, but of pure knowledge passed down from father to son for generations now. My father is 70 years old, may Allah give him a long healthy life for the Man that he has brought me up to be. He is a BAZRAJ, i.e. he decends from the two ruling families of the whole Baloushi tribe. May Allah show our hearts the light of freedom and stability with religion and not race or color or origin. Let us unite and make oursleves strong and then unite the rest of the Ummah under one flag and one message, La Ilah Illa Allah... Muhammed Rasool Allah. Let's not leave for hypocrites any space like the man who earlier suggested tha Balosh people should Convert to Hinduism, Damn you, May Allah curse you if you mean harm to any of us or our Muslim brothers, damn you. May Allah show us the light of Iman and the way of Prophet Muhammed (Salla Allah A'laeyhi Wa Sallam) and his great companions. آمين. و أشهد أن لا إله إلى اللّه، و أشهد أن محمّد رسول اللّه. لا إكراه في الدين.

 
At 2:04 PM, Blogger मनोरमा चाची said...

I am quite shocked to see how desperate are the Balochis for freedom. In the whole world, Muslims are the most stubborn religion lovers. Exit from Islam is banned in Qoran and is subject to death penalty. The idea of converting to Hinduism will defnitely give a huge blow to Punajapig Porkistani govt. As the whole Porkistani govt. was built on the lines of relious separatism. ON the lines of hatred. It can never be a democracy cause it was born as a theoracracy. As you have told, converting to Christinaity/Buddhism will cater no purpose as then you will be treated by as only second class ppl. Converting to zoroastrainism will too not be fruitful because Parsis are very few in the world, leave alone in Iran and recruitment via conversion is almost a banned concep in Parsi religion. It was although never existed in Hinduism but now some Hindus have started it and attempted to bring back our lost brothers to the religions of their forefathers. But in case of Balochis, I think I don't know waht Balochis were befor Islam came to this land. Anyway, if whole countries and regions can convert to Islam/Christianity leaving their previous clans, then why not Balochis? But anyways what is the point in becoming a Hindu without actually wanting to become one. I mean first of all, you should know and learn about Hinduism first. You will definately come to respect it. Hinduism is not anti-islamic like the way Islam is anti-hindu. Our scriptures(Gita)says that at extreme point to defend dharma(justice)you will have to fight against your own brothers. Pandavas killed their own clan, their own brothers(step bros)because they had become corrupt and villainious. I think a similar kind of revealtion is also taking place in you. Yes you have told teh RIGHT. If Balochis declare themselves as HIndus then Pakistani govt. will be exploded. Thunder shall fall upon these beast and the very backbone will break. Pakistan 's false claim that it's creation was to cater to the needs of Muslims will colapse. NOt only that , it will be huge diplomatic win as it will expose the level of atrocities done on the Balochis by the Porkis. The international community will be taken by shock. What can be better way to register your protest without shedding blood? Really great man. But one thing..........WHO WILL CONVERT YOU? Definitely Muslims cannot convert themselves to hindus!!! You will need priests, pandits but you know once the porkis come to know about it they will exclusively target the remaining Hindus in Pakistan esp Sindh. Hindus in other places will be killed.
Becoming hindus is feasible because there's nothing against Islam in Hinduism, and if you study deeply then you will find how spiritual it is, but for the moment I think you are not interested to know that, YOU JUST WANT TO USE HINDUISM RIGHT? Ab aise to nahin chalega.

The plan that you hve craved out can take in this fashion.
1. Some few Balochi leader come to India in Benares or Vrindavan, lean vedas,upanishads under some priests. When you gather sufficient knowledge then you can become a Hindu Brahman and can carry conversion process yourself to other Balochis.

2, Reloctaion of all Hindus in Pakistan in Balochistan as Hindus are most safe in Balochistan only.And in the after math of the said decclaration, Hindus maight be targetted.

3.Our Baloch brothers will have to protect each Hindu in Balochistan exclusively as religious fanatists are there in Quetta, Kalat and several places in Balochistan.

YA MAN, YOUR PLAN WILL BREAK PAK COMPLETELY. NOTHING WILL BE LEFT.

Ideologically, It will be like a lion tearing down a helpless zebra(double standard hypocrite)

What is Pakistan=An artificial country. There's nothing exclusive to Pak that makes it a distinct identity. All that is pak is actualy an Indian fraction hevily islamised for 60 years.

What is pakistani Nationalism= Bullshit, No history, No Ethnicity, nothing. Hollow crap. Product of some opportunist politicians.

Balochis wake up! In 1971 Bangladesh did what it had to

Now its your time! I wish we(India)would have shared a border so that we could help you.

IRAN can crate problem in this regard. SO lets pray and wait, so the US will come ASAP and screw that facist country. China is again a tension, as it is a friend to the Pnajapigs. Really Pray to god that a suitable time comes in the world politics, so that you can free your balochistan and we our kashmir.

Suryavanshi
What

 
At 1:41 AM, Blogger Armor3dOrange said...

If a country like India were to arm Balouchistanis with high explosive weapons like RPG's, then pakistan's superior air force, armored units, etc, will become pinned down in a quagmire. Thats what happen in Afghanistan when the Soviets invaded. The Afghans had RPG's provided by the US of A. On Average, the soviets were losing an aircraft a day.

 
At 1:42 PM, Blogger Tariq said...

Mr.Suryavanshi
Iam amazed everytime there is a movement of freedom anywhere in pakistan, the indian media and general public starts supporting the idea.Its really amazing how indians are always looking for an opportunity to crush and divide pakistan.It happened in karachi where indian propaganda is spreading the mentality that sindhis are a separate nation and they should be separated from pakistan.
I cant stop myself laughing when you used the word.....porkistan for "pakistan"....I assume you dont have an idea that muslims of pakistan;no matter balochi,sindhi,punjabi; they dont eat pork, so using this name is quite funny and shows how both your mentality and logic is totally messedup and in order to make any point you just bring some bullshit ideas and try to join them together but you will never be successful....inshAllah......
Secondaly, advocating your hinduism and slapping various false claims on islam would not serve your purpose and it only shows how ignorant you are to say that when it always indian media and indian people who are on move against the islamic pakistan. Always india have tried to cause problems for pakistan.Yet your claim that hinduism is a peaceful religion and it would solve problems in balochistan can make any itelligent reader to laugh at you and your ideas.As far as comparison between islam and hinduism is concerned, I would never ever say anything wrong against hinduism because as an educated and literate muslim I know how to respect other religon which you are missing by far.On the other hand I have all the right to advocate my religion and I would do so.The word islam means; peace.It is a religion of peace.If we look at the spread of islam in the whole india.It started by the illegal capture of muslim women and men by the then "hindu" ruler Raja Dahir. After that the muslim leaders sent their forces to save those muslims upon listening to their cries.History will tell you how the people in india were surpressed by the hindu leaders at that time. When women were burnt alive in the form of "satti" upon the death of their men.When the unhuman cast system was allowing the socalled upper classes to deal the lower classes with such unhuman and evil ways. When the lower cast were made blind and their tongues were cut down even if they were observed wandering around higher class people areas.When muslims came in india these surpressed people saw something which rejects cast system,something which spreads the idea of equality of all human beings,something which delivers women from all the cruelities against them.So accepted islam themselves.They were not forced to be muslims.Bring me a single event from history(a source which is reliable) which shows that people were forced to embrass islam.It all happened because the people reliazed the beauty and strength of islam.I understand due to the current american propaganda against islam has worsten the image of islam in the eyes of nonmuslims but believe me.A responsible muslim in todays world who knows and who follows true islam would totally condemn all these terrorist activities done in the name of islam.We dont consider those people as muslim.Its not something to be blamed to islam, if some people,who have nothing to do with islam, are using the name of islam and performing such unislamic activities.So you have to definitely go through history again before slapping islam.You need to understand islam before any comparison.
Thirdly, this is the most stupid idea I have ever heard from anybody that the people change the religion in the name of freedom.If the identity "baloch" is graded superior then being a muslim and somebody can even sacrifice their religious ideology for freedom then I would say that person is characterless and he is totally messed up.Being a muslim or hindu or christian should be the biggest pride for anybody not being independant. This stupid theory makes me laugh at the mentality of the person who has thrown this idea.I have a question for that person. We suppose you become hindu and somehow magically that brings you your independance, what will you gain from that idependace??An indepandant balochistan which has lost its identity as a muslim. What will you do in that idepandant balochistan. Start the cast system, start doing sati,start burying your newly born baby girls or start praising 7 8 lords, start bowing to rocks and stones who doesnt even have power to move itself instead of praising one God which MashAllah you are doing right now.Being a balochi or punjabi or pakhtoon should always be after being a muslim. Being a muslim is a the biggest pride that we have.
GUESS WHAT WHY ALL THE WORLD IS AGAINST ISLAM AND MUSLIMS RIGHT NOW.I WILL TELL YOU THE REASON. THE REASON IS THAT THE TEACHINGS OF ISLAM IN THEIR PUREST VERSION ARE SO COMPLETE AND THEY LEAD TO SUCH A STRAIGHT PATH TO ALLAH THAT OTHER RELIGIONS CANT MATCH THOSE. SO IN THEIR JEALOUSY AND HATRED THEY HAVE ALL DECIDED TO FINISH THIS.THEY ARE ANGRY AT HOW ISLAM IS SO BETTER THEN THEIR RELIGION THAT THEY WANT TO FINISH IT.BUT GOD HAS PROMISED TO SAVE ISLAM.DOESNT REALLY MATTER PAKISTAN STAYS ON THE MAP OF THE WORLD OR NOT OR BALOCHISTAN GETS FREEDOM OR NOT.GOD WILL KEEP ITS PROMISE AND ISLAM WILL STAY ALIVE FOREVER.
Lastly, for all the muslims the teachings of islam say;
"Love of your country is a part of one's religion".
Your elders were far more intelligent and smarter then you and if they decided to get join pakistan that was for some reasons.Iam telling you,In the name of my GOD, those who are supporting you right now in your fight for freedom tomorrow when you will be free they will come into your lands and they will crush you and they will start ruling you. Thats what happened to bangladesh.What good does bangladesh did to itself after separation. Nothing they are in worst condition then before.No economy,indians are sitting on the border and inside bangladesh.Before they accused west pakistan to steal their resources and now they are not even able to produce and use those resources.
Listen brothers....its a foriegn propaganda that punjabis are ruling pakistan. All the areas of pakistan are being ruled mutually according to the majority their.Dont you see punjabis working for all the other people of pakistan.I know balochis are known for their bravery and honor.History is evident how only those who fight for their motherland are considered honored and brave.What has happened to your thinking. Think like baloch's and you will find the answer yourself. By God, all over the punjab everybody says we are proud to be pakistanis.Nobody says we are punjabis.Forget nationalism and work for one unified pakistan. That is the only ways you can bring pride to the balochistan and pakistan. Being a punjabi is not an honor for me but being a pakistani is a real honor for me.
At the end I have a question for Suryavanshi.
Can you swear in the name of your GOD that everything you wrote was only for purpose of the betterment of balochis and not out of your own anger and wrath for pakistan.Iam pretty sure if you have a little repect of God then you wouldnt lie.
If you would say yes....then I would say why you wrote in the end "so that we can get our kashmir".....it makes me laugh how desparate are you people to benefit from the other's loss. Typical indian thinking..........
You are only trying to fool balochis to get your benefits and obviously you dont have any shame left in you.
pakistan zindabad......
balochistan zindabad.......

 
At 8:26 AM, Blogger Shilpa said...

All countries deserve to be free if they want to. I support the balooch to break off the paki tyranny & become free.

 
At 2:01 PM, Blogger vajra_wallop said...

Balochistan had a prominent place in Hindu History before its conversion to Islam.

How can we help Balochis return back to Hinduism

 
At 3:11 PM, Blogger Tariq said...

U Cud shut da fuk up......dats da best way U cud help Balochis.....cuz their future is in the fact that they stay with pakistan....Probabaly they dont realize it ryt nw....but Iam afraid wen they will realize that it will be too late.........

 
At 5:16 PM, Blogger vajra_wallop said...

Balochistan, Sindh and West Punjab have a glorious and highly developed history of Hindu civilization, Tariq. We are brothers. Why do we have to hate each other because of Islam.

We need to free ourselves from Islam and return back to a civilized world.

Hindu Dharma awaits us.

LETS BE FREE http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/hbh/

 
At 5:07 PM, Blogger Mayank said...

Does India strategically supports the cause of Balochistan? I agree that Punjabis dominate Pakistan and there is nothing like secularism in that country. However, Pakistan does claims that India support this freedom movement. Here in India, not many people know about your cause. Just becos of dumb biased congress govt., media is never addressing this issue. You need to spread this message accross the world. I would certainly need to know if Indians do support you somehow, say money or amunition

 
At 5:29 PM, Blogger vajra_wallop said...

Mayank
It doesnt matter what India does. It doesnt have the balls to fight Islam in its own country. Islam is eating into India like a disease.

But Hindus have to support Balochis
from all over the world.

 
At 9:22 AM, Blogger Tariq said...

vajra_wallop ......If you are saying balochis are you brothers becoz they have a hindu background.......then according to history you people(hindus) were people who used to pray SUN.......
There are few tribes in Africa who still worship SUN.....so I think all the pakistanis should launch a program to rejoin India with those african tribes because you have same backgound as them........
I think you should change your religion too......
See wouldnt that be the most dubmest thing ever.....You are trying to say becuase you have same background as balochis they should come and join your religion........You have a sick mind and a really messed up Logic....
If what you are saying is true then we all used to are Sons of Adam & Eve......so we pakistanis share a background with india so indians should become muslim and rejoin with pakistan....
Y dun u juz shut up and mind your own business......Listen indians were able to separate bangladesh becoz pakistan didnt have any direct land connection with bangladesh....but in balochistan its gonna be far more harder......
But u are hindus I know u will keep on trying and trying but you will gain nothing from it.....for sure...
Plus if you wanna free balochistan then you shud free hyderabad and other muslim states too....or free kashmir becoz they want their freedom ......why dun u do that han......
U ignorant MF's...keep on tyring and u will never be successful...

 
At 10:50 AM, Blogger vajra_wallop said...

Tariq:
You are so ignorant.
But that is expected from a South Asian Muslim who want to forget their glorious Hindu history, only to be slaves of Mohammedan Arabs.

Have you ever heard the name of the place Hinglaaj, in Balochistan.
It is one of the holiest Hindu places of pilgrimages (Shaktipeeth).

Sorry you kbnow so little and you are so fanatic.

 
At 9:49 AM, Blogger Mayank said...

Mr Tariq,
Hindus pray to many gods and goddesses. Just becos they pray sun, you call them similar to african tribes? In that case, since jews forbid eating pig just as your religion. So should muslims rejoin jews?
One more thing, you pakis should accept that you got defeated by Indians not once, twice nbut innumerable times. benazir Bhutto accepted that Pakisatan cannot match the might of India. I still dont understand why u people make excuses for your defeat. we were defeated by chinese and there is no denying,
Coming to the subject of Balochistan, Pakisatan has been smart enough to keep it low profile. I never knew about this troubled region until I heard one of your minister blaming us for supporting BLA. This movement needs to propogate to all NRIs and Indians. No doubt Indians like me shall contribute to their causes. So wait till that happen and once thats done, Bangladesh may have another cousin.(no matter how harder it is)

 
At 6:07 PM, Blogger Tariq said...

It wasnt about who is strong and who is weak......
"India is far more stronger then Pakistan...India is far more advanced and disciplined and well oraganized then pakistan.....its a fact and nobody can deny that...."
Yes we've defeated by India many times.......Ive never said once that India didnt defeat pakistan.....
But the thing is I dont give a shit about india's wealth and power .....see i dont care a bit how india is more stronger then pakistan or I dont even care about india's existence.....Its just lyk for me India's presence doesnt make any difference......
What Iam saying is .......Being hindus u people have actually lost that self respect and dignity......U guys dun have any conscious......See why are u supporting all who are trynig to separate away from pakistan....why ......
Wen u say....Balochs were hindus before and they shud join hinduism and this wud solve there problem.....say that loud once and u will laugh on urself.....ur stupid argument doesnt even make no sense...ur as stupid as ur parents and ur ignorant forefathers were.....
If what you are saying is true and is practically implementable then we cannot deny that all of us had once religion at the beggining which is religion of ADAM ....so we all shud join that once religion......
Things change as time goes on.....learn to live in present and stop crying about past.....
Wud u urself change ur religion for ur independence ....think about it what are you doing han.....just think about it......!!!!
Why cant you people just mind your own business han....just mind your own f..... business....thats it...simple.....do wutever u want to do with ur country....do experiments and convert people to hinduism, janism, any ism you want ....but stay away from others land...
Coz buddy honestly speaking.....India is strong but everytime they had come to fight pakistan which is not even 20% to indias strength and population they have seen some real hard time.....by that I mean some real hard time.....u cant deny how the biggest army of tanks was totally destroyed at waga border by a small chunk of pakistanis....who didnt even had proper weapons....
So dun mess with us....coz even though we are weaker but once we are mad ....ur gone......I am telling you....
In the end .....Iam not a "typical south Indian muslim".....I live in canada ....and I will support pakistan till my death ......
I know you wud continue ur efforts coz there's a famous saying:
"A snake knows nothin but to bite"
and another famous in pakistan is :
"try hard...but a dog's tail will never be striaghten"..
Plus dun be proud that ur country is very powerful....u people make 1/6th part of the world....with this much man power any country can do a lot better then what india is doing.....
Go to google and see the poverty comparisons of india and pakistan.....u will see something which u probabaly have never seen and felt while living with those in ur own country.....
Well No matter how much you do ......u will die but balochis will never do what you want....u know why ......u dun know becoz you are indians....
Becoz balochis are men enuff to know religion stands far ahead then everything else......

 
At 12:04 AM, Blogger M said...

Reconversion to Hinduism or Zoroastrianism

It is indeed true that the area of Balochistan was Zoroastrian/Hindu/Buddhist originally and had to convert to Islam under Islamic military invasions. It is easy to convert weak and conquered people under threat of sword. I would not like to say anything against Islam, but the global perception of Islam is poor, third-rate and inferior, and it can be realized only when Islamic people would travel to different places globally (This cannot be experienced by just staying or exposure in an Islamic majority place). Wherever there are multiple religions present in good proportions, it is always the Islamic populace that creates problems, be it India, S.Thailand, S.Phillipines, Europe, USA. This is however different in Islamic majority countries, but problems are created there as well by the Muslim citizens. The Islam religion itself is such that it has to reassure itself of its existence at all times, lest it dies out.

Mir Hamed and Tariq's observations above are normal and as per expectations, as Islam completely brainwashes its followers and eradicates the sense of history, heritage, and local culture like a erase-and-restart button. And over many generations it completely gets lost. There is a huge majority in Iran who cannot relate to their rich history just because of this, and unfortunately they cannot reconvert back to Zoroastrianism because of Islam's apostasy laws. Even Islamic Art and Architecture style was practically stolen from Zoroastrian Persia, not created in original by the horse-riding sword-yielding nomadic Arabs. Tariq's comment above that people converted to Islam because of its beauty and strength is completely false, as the very first conversions of Rajputs in 1011 AD in Kashmir, took place under the sword, and naturally close family members will follow suit not to prevent breakups. Consequently Islam also brainwashes its followers for proselytizing, and it is easy to sell it particularly to the illiterate poor people and give them hope and dreams. The rich Hindu/Buddhist people from the north of subcontinent migrated deeper east or south. This is one of the reason why Islamic countries everywhere are so poor (oil in some countries will last just another few decades).

There are also divisions in Islam such as Shia, Sunni, Ashraf, Ajlaf, Mohajir, Balochi, Sindhi etc. Balochistan definitely is dominated by the Punjabi Muslims as we read daily everywhere. It is because of this, that Balochistan should leave Islam and reconvert to Hinduism en-masse together and it will be very easy to integrate with the world and get assistance from all sorts of cultures (India, Japan, EU, USA etc). There is hardly any doubt that India, Japan, EU, USA would not come to Balochistan's help once they reconvert to Hinduism. However, if they convert to Christianity or Judaism, then they will be just treated as People of the Book in Pakistan and there will no change in any status. Basically Pakistan will absorb the shock and in coming decades, it will start persecuting Balochis even more. It is only when they convert to Hinduism or Zoroastrianism will Pakistan feel an aversion and distance that will make it easy for Balochistan to become independent. It is this gross aversion that Balochi should take advantage of. The Pakistanis cannot turn an entire Hindu population into dhimmis. As it has practically been abolished now. However, if they convert to Christianity or Judaism, they will be absorbed as 'junior lesser brothers'.

Now, with India's economic might and military strength, and as an Asian superpower, India would defintely come to help for Balochistan. Pakistan will not dare to attempt any untoward incident with India. It will also be very natural for India to help their Hindu or Zoroastrian brothers in the new Republic of Balochistan. Please note that it is only 'Republic of Balochistan' and not 'Hindu Republic of Balochistan' or 'Zoroastrian Republic of Balochistan'. This is because both Hinduism and Zoroastrianism are very ancient mature Aryan religions and exist only as a way of life without interfering in the politics of governance.

Detailed Process of Reconversion to Hinduism or Zoroastrianism

Balochi leaders should start the process of "reconversion" (going back to religion of origin) immediately. The steps are as follows:

Step-1: Political Initiation This has to be done in full and absolute secrecy. Highly prominent Balochi Sardars and political leaders must analyze the logic in a cool mind and in full practicality. They should realize that peaceful freedom for Balochistan lies only through reconversion to Hinduism or Zoroastrianism. This can be done by Balochi Sardars getting in touch with prominent Indian Hindu politicians, and influential Zoroastrian (Parsi) people such as military generals or lawyers in India. This should also be done with Iranian Zoroastrian leaders. Also appropriate Indian intelligence agencies should be contacted for full assistance. This has to be done in full and absolute secrecy.
Time period: Start from year 0 and duration of 1-2 years

Step-2: Selection of emissaries The highly prominent Balochi Sardars and political leaders should now select a handful of influential and well-known yet broad-minded imams/mullahs who have been convinced that freedom for Balochistan lies only through reconversion to Hinduism or Zoroastrianism. These imams/mullahs should act Islamic on the outward but inside they should have developed a deep belief in Hinduism or Zoroastrianism and its relation to Balochi freedom. They also should maintain an Islamic appearance such as beard, dress to appear normal. It is of utmost importance that these imams/mullahs should maintain their secrecy and thus their lives. The highly prominent Balochi Sardars and political leaders should also keep an eye for any betrayal at this stage.
Time period: Start from year 1 and duration of 2-3 years

Step-3: Sending emissaries to India/Iran After having examined the trust of the imams/mullahs, the Balochi Sardars and political leaders should start sending them as emissaries to prominent places only in India (Varanasi, Kashi, etc for Hinduism and Navsari, Mumbai etc for Zoroastrianism). However, their travel should be disguised as if they are traveling for a Hajj. The emissaries should not go to Iran now as they might be executed because of the Islamic laws there. Once they enter India the imams/mullahs should change their appearance as normal Hindus or Parsis (Zoroastrians) with adopted Hindu or Parsi names. They should visit appropriate places to deeply learn the religions of Hinduism and Zoroastrianism. This study should not get diverted to a religious study and the main goal of freedom for Balochistan should remain as the intention. In this stage, it is taken for granted that the emissaries will be under the protection of the Indian intelligence agencies and other Hindu or Parsi religious groups who have already been taken under confidence.
Time period: Start from year 3 and duration of 2-3 years

Step-4: Conversion of emissaries in India/Iran The Balochi emissaries in India should now convert themselves into Hinduism or Zoroastrianism in absolute secrecy. This is something like throwing away the yokes of Islam in a true manner from deep inside the mind and heart, with the clear intention of freedom for Baloch in their mind. During this time in India, they can also secretly invite to India other junior imams/mullahs to initiate the process of conversion to Hinduism or Zoroastrianism, but it must be done in full secrecy. Thus, the hierarchy is now clear: in the First Level: Balochi Sardars and political leaders; in the Second Level: influential senior imams/mullahs; in the Third Level: junior imams/mullahs.
Time period: Start from year 5 and duration of 2 years

Step-5: Coming back of emissaries to Balochistan The senior and junior emissaries, with their burning desire for freedom for Balochistan and their mind and heart converted to Hinduism or Zoroastrianism, must now be recalled back to Balochistan. Once again they should maintain an Islamic appearance such as beard, dress to appear normal. They should now sit with the respected highly prominent Balochi Sardars and political leaders who are now already Hindu or Parsi in their minds and hearts, and Islamic only in their outward appearance. They should now carefully decide on the plan on when to declare the conversion of Balochistan to Hinduism and Zoroastrianism. The conversion should not be gradual. It has to be sudden with immediate mass conversions, sticking to it adamantly, and propagating the conversion through entire Balochistan. It has to be something like 'Blitzconversion' just like Blitzkreig. Such as declaring it on the eve of the first day of Hindu New Year or Zoroastrian New Year.
Time period: Start from year 7 and declare reconversion within 1 year

Step-6: Preparation for Declaration of Reconversion to Original Religion of Hinduism and Zoroastrianism The highly prominent Balochi Sardars and political leaders and the converted imams/mullahs after fixing the date must not disclose it to anyone. They should keep themselves fully protected lest the word goes out. A week before the date, the highly prominent Balochi Sardars and political leaders should undergo a photo-video-session showing the conversion ceremony done by a Hindu Brahmin priest or a Zoroastrian Mobed. The photos/videos should show the Balochi Sardars and political leaders worshipping a Hindu god or worshipping Fire according to Hindu or Parsi tradition. This Hindu Brahmin priest or Zoroastrian Moeb should be from among the emissaries discussed earlier. The photographs/videos must be kept ready but under full secrecy. During this time, the Balochi Sardars and political leaders should secretly prepare strong and eloquent speeches, which will influence the general population.

Step-7: Day of Declaration of Reconversion to Hinduism and Zoroastrianism
Part A: Day 1: Declaration by the politicians: On the selected date strong announcements must be broadcasted through all medias, such as local newspapers, radio, TV etc. These announcements should include the speeches from the highly prominent Balochi Sardars and political leaders, and also carry their photographs giving the speech. It should also be accompanied by photos/videos of their conversion ceremony. They should also announce their new Hindu or Parsi names, such as Raja Saheb Shena or Pasha Ardeshir Umrigar etc.
On this day, the Balochi Sardars and political leaders must ask his second level political leaders to follow suit and convert. Since Baloch society is based on a strong clan-like heirarchy, it is easy to convert the people. The second-level Balochi Sardars and political leaders must now spread the word to all the people of Angaria, Baloch, Barija, Bhutani, Bhutta, Bizenjo, Brahmani, Bugti, Buledi, Burfat, Buzdar, Domki, Jadgal, Gabol, Gichki, Gola, Hasni, Hoti, Jam, Jamali, Jamoot, Jamote, Jattak, Kalmati, Kalpar, Kansi, Khetran, Khosa, Kolachi, Lari, Lashari, Lasi, Leghari, Magsi, Marri, Masuri, Mengal, Nausherwani, Nothazai, Regi, Rahija Raisani, Rind, Sanjrani, Sasooli, Shambhani, Talpur, Umrani, Wadhela, Zardari.
Part B: Day 2: Declaration by the religious clergy: One day after the announcements by the Balochi Sardars and political leaders, the emissary imams/mullahs must declare their conversions too. They should also send out photos/videos of wearing ancient Hindu or Parsi ceremonial costumes and worshipping a Hindu god or worshipping Fire according to Hindu or Parsi tradition. They should also declare their new names such as Pandit Prashant Devasharmana or Mobed Pallonjee Hormusjee Marzban. This message will fortify the announcement done in the previous day and will have a strong impact on the general population.
This is something like the domino effect. All the domino arrangements are first prepared in full secrecy and then on the selected day the first domino is moved so that the Blitzconversion happens!

Step-8: Immediately After Declaration of Reconversion to Hinduism and Zoroastrianism: The Balochi Sardars and political leaders, of whom some are Members of the Pakistani National Assembly, should now declare their mass conversion in the National Assembly in Islamabad, and ask the other MPs to refer them by their new Hindu or Parsi names. No doubt, there will be a severe uproar. They could be called Hindu infidels, Indian agent, Parsi kafir, etc. This has to be taken in stride but full security should be taken by the Balochi Sardars and political leaders, lest they be assassinated.
In the meantime, the process of conversion to Hinduism and Zoroastrianism should be propagated in Balochistan with a lightning speed. Any violence or betrayal should be sorted out by talks, failing which strong force maybe used secretly. It maybe noted that this force is ultimately essential to create an aversion in the Punjabi Pakistani mind and for a free Balochistan, and is not a religion-based force (such as the sword in Islam).
It is well-known, that the Balochi Sardars and political leaders are very powerful in their land and are also respectable men of honor, such as the Rajputs. There is no doubt that they will maintain their conversion and will see that their populace also follow it. During this time there maybe attacks from Muslim Punjabi terrorists on Balochi population as well as Balochi Sardars and political leaders. Thus, they should be prepared for their safety.
There is also no doubt that this will create headlines across the whole world and will be shaking news. There are also possibilities, that some Islamic countries may come with large economic aid and money, and approach the Balochi Sardars and political leaders, in return for coming back to Islam. In such cases, Balochi Sardars and political leaders, may decide through their code of honor whether to take this money and remain suppressed under Muslim Punjabi Pakistan, or see a free Republic of Balochistan.

Step-9: 6 Months After Declaration of Reconversion to Hinduism and Zoroastrianism: Slowly, within a period of 6 months from the Day of Declaration of Reconversion, stability will set in. The Balochi population will start identifying themselves with two great ancient religions and feel themselves closer to other powerful ancient Asian cultures such as India, Japan and China. When Balochi Sardars and political leaders travel to other countries, they will be welcomed with great respect, and thus can ask for assured economic aid from many countries. It maybe noted that people with Islamic names have problems traveling to other non-Islamic countries and are always looked down upon.

Step-10: 1 Year After Declaration & Development of Baloch Society: Any real progress will not be possible just by conversion of religion. It is well known that in Hindu or Zoroastrian society education plays a great role and helps develop the art, culture, economy. It is completely different from the Islamic education style, where madrassas just cram students with a foreign Arabic tongue, and teach them the Quran, which does not help them in earning any money. For many thousands of years, Hindu or Zoroastrian society has always been free of such religion-centered studies, which is evident from the Ayurveda, Natya Shashtra etc of India, and the Art, Architecture & Desert Engineering of Zoroastrian Persia. Islamic Iran could never develop such feats of Engineering as was achieved under Zoroastrian Persia. Additionally, in Hindu or Zoroastrian society, there is tremendous freedom to do anything that one likes and to develop entrepreneurship. Ultimately, what everyone wants is a good quality of life, pleasure, and a sense of freedom to enjoy life! It is a Hindu or Zoroastrian society that can create such a favorable environment in Balochistan. Hence, if the Balochi Sardars and political leaders maintain a Hindu or Zoroastrian society, not only will economic progress follow, but will also attain eventual freedom from Muslim Punjabi Pakistan, as a secular democratic Republic of Balochistan.

I thus feel that a reconversion towards Hinduism or Zoroastrianism would be the best and practical idea for a free secular democratic Republic of Balochistan, and for Balochi people to attain great heights economically and spiritually.

 
At 12:13 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

I dont think conversion will pursue your claim as strongly as you say it will, first of all.

Secondly, what is wrong with you muslims and hindus. We are third world nation brothers, we have to unite against western imperialism, and foreign policy terrorism that ruined our country and strategically separated us so we would do what they want us to do: FIGHT EACH OTHER INSTEAD OF UNITE!!

So whether your Muslim, Zardasht, Hindu, or whatever, UNITE AGAINST WESTERN TERRORISM. This is why we are being controlled by them, because they support each other and we just fight and kill each other.

I am a Muslim from Afghanistan and have love and respect for all religions, I just worry about the future of South Asia and the Middle East under British and US terrorism and propoganda and strategic weapons that they use to make us like they did to the sunnis, kurds and shias of Iraq.

We cannot let them do this to us.

LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE!!!

RELIGION, TRIBE, NATIONALITY IS NOT THE PROBLEM PEOPLE!!!

 
At 11:28 PM, Blogger मनोरमा चाची said...

Mr Fereshta
You seem to be just another of those over optimistic secular Muslims who believe in the fairy tale that Muslims will be finally accomodate iwth other religions in a peaceful co-existance. This will never happen, as long ISLAM is ther TERRORISM will always be there. It HAS BEEN ALWAYS THERE. It is being called TERRORISM in the 21st century and CIA and America have evolved as players in ti as they have tried to use it in their favor. But that doesn't mean that they are the force which created it. And by the way if you are a Muslim form Afghanistan then you must be knowing that what RICH HINDU HERITAGE Afghanistn had. The land had a culture of its own soil, the remians of which are still present today in places like the Asamai Temple. It was a prosperous region under the rule of HINDU SHAHI Kings, and the Gandhravas were from Afghanistan. IN due time it was also enriched by Buddhism.

BUT COME ISLAM


EVERYTHING GOT DESTROYED

ISLAM is a CULTURE DETSROYER, PEACE DESTROYER and DESTRUCTION is at its core.

LOOK at what Afghanistan is today. No industries, no jobs, no education........it is the biggest smuggler of Heroine and MOrphine.

Great going...........Thnks to Allah and his Islam.

 
At 11:43 PM, Blogger मनोरमा चाची said...

ANd Mr Fereshta

go to this links for a look up of your history

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Afghanistan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_temples_of_Kabul

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_in_Afghanistan

 
At 11:59 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

First, I am a Ms. Fereshta, not Mr.

Second, I am very aware of the rich and historical Hindu culture we had in Afghanistan, I am very proud of our rich past, whether it was islamic or not and thank you for the nice links as well.

Third, Im sorry brother but frankly I'll be honest. I am sick and tired of everyone who is ignorant and chooses to blindly blame islam for all the world problems today. When islam was introduced to Afghanistan a little less than a thousand years ago, Islam was responsible for giving birth to our philosophers, poets, scientists, and doctors. The first doctor Ibn Sina (Avicenna), The greatest poet in history Mawlana Jalaluddin Rumi, our scientist Al Beruni, I can list too many intellects that changed the history of mathematics and science today, and they were Muslim.

If you look at history, islam has flourished and advanced knowledge throughout the middle east. Look at Egypt? Look at Turkey?

Just because recently, islamic radicals have degraded our faith by misusing islam, this doesnt mean that you guys have a right to blindly attack our religion or our faith because of your ignorance.

Im sick of everyone pointing to Afghanistan, when they here "Islam,"
Im sick of people pointing to the taliban when they hear "Muslim"

Afghanistan is a victim of Western foreign policy using islamic extremism as a crime against the Afghan population.

Nothing more, the religion of Islam is not to blame, the minority of the followers who are ignorant should be blamed.

Please go educate yourself with all religions and dont be bias and ignorant towards one religion just because you see it on the deceiving media or hear it from unreliable and uneducated people.

Peace be with you. Bless you and Take care brother.

COEXIST

 
At 3:36 AM, Blogger मनोरमा चाची said...

Oh Ms. Fereshta

How can I not blame islam for all this mess? Ha ha! you are calling the fundamnetalists a minority? If these are the minority, then why the damn have thses people been able to turn the cultural heritage of not only Afghanistan but many other countries into debris? This is co common with ISlam. Wherever ISLAM has entered it has divided families, destroyed cultures, made enemies within communities which coexisted peacefully for thousand of years. And unfortunately, the host of all your, poets , scientists and bla bla have never been able to stop Islam from becoming the demon it has always reincarnated itself.

Turkey? Egypt? Do you know anyone in Egypt who follow their ancestral religion? And Turkey? The so calledsecularism in Turkey ia always walking at the arzors edge with the Kemalist army intervening twice to restore secularism. And the majority AK party is always in a race to ISLAMISE turkey. It would be unsurprising to see if turkey becomes an Islamic nation in a few years.

And be it Turkey, be it Egypt oppression of the non-muslims by the muslims is a very very common trait observed all over the world. I can count you examples frm Turkey and Egypt also.

And all the achivements of the poets and scientists that you are counting on, I would not disagree but they were a part of "The Golden Age of Islam" which has now passed totaly as Muslims and Islam have failed to keep up a pace wiith the changing world. Teir mindset and thought process is still essentially mediavalist.

And if you are so proud about the Hindu past of Afhganistan, may I ask, what is the point in keeping that pride when you have ditched that culture totaly? You have swiped out the culture of the land and succumbed to the Arabic cult. Not only that, Afghan hindus are seeing the worst of their days, most of them eager to get Indian citizenship because you peopole have made their life a hell. Now you might exclude yourself from that big band of fundamentalists and jehadis that ISLAM boasts of, but it is an eternal truth that mulims like you have always been weak and powerless enough to be overtaken and crushed by the fundamentalists. ISLAM is the most intolerent o fall religions, all the goodness that comes with ISLAM is at the cost of the poison that ISLAM bears in itself and is bound to show its effects in due course of time. Countries like Germany are getting concerned over the gowth of Muslims in their country. A similar step needs to be taken elsewhere also, so that not every country becomes yet another Afghanistan or Pakistan.

 
At 12:10 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Your whole mindset is flawed my friend. YOu are basically saying that just because people converted to islam, its a horrible religion. Thats basically what your saying. Just because Afghans were hindus and they converted to islam does not mean they betrayed their cultural heritage. We preserved our hindu culture for thouands of years, even after we became muslim. The buddha statue in Bamiyan, when was it it destroyed???? After 9/11 of 2001. ONly 7 years ago because of extremists that were bred in the west.

You know, this world is a mess, and you can blame islam all you want. Its pointless for me to argue with you.

But how dare you blame the destruction of afghanistan on me. I could say its Indias fault, because India didnt nuke and bomb Pakistan, India let pakistan stay strong, therefore pakistan used its strenght to ruin Afghanistan. So its your peoples fault for the destruction of Afghanistan. I could say that, but does that make any sense at all??? Thats what you sound like and im not even going to bother with that.

Pakistan ruined Afghanistan, by sending their extremists by the support of Saudi Arabia. Since youve last checked, is Saudi Arabia allied with any muslim nation??? Yes, just one: PAKISTAN!!!. For a reason, so dont you dare say Afghans supported the arabization and destruction of Afghanistan, that was all by the pakistani govt who continue to insight terrorism on both of its neighbors afghanistan and india, since its creation!! Pakistan funded the Taliban with the help of Saudi Arabia, because they were jealous that we preserved our hindu culture so they broke all our buddha statues and blew up one of the biggest Buddha statues in the world. All because of their hatred and jealousy that Afghanistan, a muslim country was great Allies with India and preserved their nonislamic past.

You dont know anything my friend. Because you are ignorant. You choose to blame all your brothers, only because of what one stupid, extremist, ignorant, worthless piece of land like Pakistan does to spread its disease all over the world and name that disease Islam. Now you think thats what islam is. Go ahead. I dont care.

Just please dont blame millions of Afghan people who have been suffering sooo horribly, who have childrens who are missing legs, who are starving, who have women that are burned and beaten to death, all of this within the last 20 years, not the last thousand. If it was islam, this would have happened within the last thousand years, if it was pakistan, US, and saudi arabia, it would have happened 20 years ago, when they got involved. SO hmmm......according to history, what mames more sense??? Blaming islam, or blaming these terrorist nations that blow up countries, for their own profit???

The creation of Pakistan is illegal. Pakistan is like Israel. Its illegal and the land should be given back to Afghans and Indians, and then the world would see that Islam is not to blame, but that terrorism, extremism and the misuse of islam only originated so greatly in the illegal nation of pakistan by the support of their God: Saudi Arabia. Thats what it is.

Before the creation of Pakistan, Afghan hindus were our brothers and living side by side with us. We loved them and we still do. They were our citizens and patriots of our country. India was our neighbor and we had coexisted and lived peacefully for thousands of years, during islam and before islam. LOOK AT YOUR OWN HISTORY!!! India and Afghanistan always got along until the stupid british mandate of 1947, and the creation of this ILLEGAL excuse of a country called Pakistan.

I hate arguing with Indians because they are my brother and they continue to help Afghanistan because they remember our friendship and our history together. Ive never had a Hindu person insult my religion and i am disappointed that i did meet one, but i wont let it alter my view at all, because I dont blame you for your ignorance. Its okay. I understand, too much Pakistani/Saudi terrorism does this to everyone.

Indian Hindus are my brother before Pakistani Muslims. ANY DAY, ANY TIME, ANY WHERE. because they are more believers, and they are more muslim than these pakistanis claim to be, in my opinion. So with that.

Bless you. Peace to you. Khudah Hafiz.

I have a feeling that people will freak out more after reading this. Im sorry if i offended anyone.

 
At 8:23 PM, Blogger Jalal said...

This is all a joke. Im half pashtun and my mom is balochi. Balochistan want independencefrom what? The biggest leader of Pakistan and leader fo the revolution is a pashtunhimself. They are not opressed. Balochistan agreed to join pakistan. And you solution is to convert? You'd be willing to change your relgion for indepndence. I would die for Islam. And you want me to become a cow worshiping kaffir? LOL this is a joke Islam is the word of God and real relgion. As for Indians stfu. Give Hydrbad,Kashmi, and Tamil areas freedom then talk. your obviosuly not muslim but an indian. and if you are really then your a sellout. Please read the Quran and educate yourself.

 
At 8:27 PM, Blogger Jalal said...

And Fereshta your bing really unfair. You've really offended us. Pakistan has not ruined Afghanistan but the US has. They put the Taliban in power. None of your extremsits are Pakistanis. They are all farsi speaking Afghans. We have always helped otu Afghansitan. We gave them refuge from the USSR while India allied with them. Creation was neccesary. Lokok at Indian Muslism they have no rights. They are trash in India. Pakistan and Afghansitan are Muslim brothers. We need to work for the greater good together.

 
At 1:22 AM, Blogger मनोरमा चाची said...

Oh Ms. Feresta

I was touched........moved........and ultimately annoyed with your varied efforts to save the disgraceful face of Islam. Ms. Feresta first of all thank you for showing so much of solidarity with India and Indians, at least showing a mark of gratitude for the tremendous help that our country has done to yours without much returns.
Now please answer me some questions

Terrorism has come into context of 21st century. But is it not true that Islamic Invadors continuously invaded our land(that I can taken for granted as evry invader does so) but tried to attack our culture, destroyed our temples lootesd our tresures.

If Islam is such a peaceful religion, then

1. Why does your holiest shrine of Mecca Sherrif acceted looted artifacts from our temples which include the broken Shiva Lingam of Somenath temple and make steps out of our Shiva Lingams so that every muslim can set his foot on it? Is it not humilating to Hindus? And it is not followed in any Porki mosque, it is follwed right in your holliest shrine the Mecca. If Islam had respect for other people outside its premises, then such a practice wouldn't have been done.

2. Your Mullah Invaders destroyed our treasured universities of Takshashila and Nalanda, just because there wasn't a copy of that Stupid handbook of yours, Quran.

And all after this why would I not blame Islam for all this? ALL DESTRUCTION, Murder and loot is done in the name of Allah and ISlam, and not very surprisingly this ideology has a wide base of supporters, in comparison t whom, people like you are twinkling minority, powerless and trying their last bit to save the face of this evil cult. You might say that Islam is good, good , good and on and on. But even it had been good someday, the present situation is totaly worst and Islam today has become a a polluted junk, full of filth and dirt. And growth of Islam is detrimental, not only to any country but to the whole world- Afghanistan being a solid proof. And sometimes I wonder, how Hypocrite these Islamists are, they shout and wail against intoxication as it is proscribed in Qoran but at the same time Allah's most beloved afghanistn is the bigest producer of Illegal Heroine. You people have destroyed your country, now you people are destroying the whole would with your opium and heroine. Cities as developed like Stockholm and new York are laden with addicts of Afghan Heroine.

And Ms. Feresta, I would have not blame dIslam for all this, had Afghanistan being th only isolated case, but it ia a worldwide pattern seen everywhere, wherever Mulsims are allowed to grow, they make living for others a hell. Be it kashmir, be it kerala or be it bangladesh. Islam is sows he seeds of hatred and separitism wherever it arrives, in due time or sometimes immediately.

Name any Muslim country, Egypt, Libya, Somaliya, Sudan, Bangladesh, Porki Pakistan or Iran. Islam has destroyed the very notion of peace. The indeginious people were estranged by the ones who succumed to this Arabic cult. The native Hindu bengalis of Bangladesh were made outsiders, so were the native Zoraostrinas of Iran, So were the native iindegenous Kashmiri pundits, so as the Indegenous Sikh and Hindus of Punjab and the lilst goes on and on and on.

And by the way, it is true that India has always being a helping ally to Afghnistan, during its hard times and is still helping at the cost of our engineers getting killed day in and day out in Afghanistan. But I know you people will never ever be able to return that help in any form because Islam alwasys tells to make use of Kaffirs and then thrw them out.

I hope the whole world wakes up to realise this truth. Islam has become a rotten pot, the more you involve with, the more it will destroy you. MUSLIMS all over the world are known for being intolerant, humilating and criminal minded. Hezbollah leader proudly announces that "Allah becomes happy when a non-muslim is killed"- what is Allah? a bloody man-eater. And how many so called peacful muslims have risen up to protest against these pet-beasts of ALLAH? NONE!

And I solely agree with you, creation of Pakistan is illegal, but as long Islam survives the so called proposal of yours to return it to India and afghanistan is never going to take shape as you see, the very concept of Pakistan was laid on Islamic shitt. In Pakistan people are educated to hate their glorious Hindu Past. Instead of taking pride in past universities like takshashila, they consider the destroyers of the same as Heros. No wonder, such a nation is seeing the worst of the shit. With so much of bluff hey created their Islamic antion, but the assholes could not even carry up with a 5 year democracy.

And could you please enlighten me how did Afghan muslims preserved their Hindu culture. Whatever pics of Afghanistan I have ever seen , I could see Mullash wityh dirty beards and women caged in blue burkhas.

 
At 1:31 AM, Blogger मनोरमा चाची said...

A MESSAGE TO MR JALAL

Hey you silly asshole. Stop demanding Hyderabad from India. Why would be Hyderabad given to Porkistan? The native indigenous people of this region are Telugu speaking Hindus and your Nizam and his Mullah battalion were outsiders. And it was in time that Sardar Patel fucked up hard, NIzam and his razakars, if you ever get time come to Hyderabad, it all over swarmed by Hindus with muslims sporadically distributed all over the city in small numberes, except a part of the City known as old city.

And I am myself writing this from Hyderabad as I do my job here. And about Kashmir........just keep waiting.

And what Tamil freedom are you talking about. Please brush up your GK as tamil freedom fight is not taling place in Indian but in Sri lanka. And you might be very much blissed by the sometimes-quarelling that happens between us, but remember-north or south, the whole India dislike Pakistan and considers it a second class inferios bhikhari nation. Our battalioans from Mysore and Chennai will give their lives immediately if porky pigs come to pinc us.
(remeber defeat at Kargil?)

So come out of that daydream. Mr.(although i know you will not, after all you are just a typical mullah).

And i was very amused by your commitment to islam that you are ready to die for it-----indeed a suicide bomber in the making.

 
At 11:18 AM, Blogger vajra_wallop said...

So sad that Muslims continue to follwo the religion that bitchered and raped their own forefathers when they were Hindus and Buddhists.

As for Jalal, he is just another Koran slave.

What a bane on humanity.

 
At 12:02 PM, Blogger Jalal said...

LOL when did I say Hydrebad should be part of Pakistan? That would be a disaster. I merely said that if India wants to fufil the wishes of people who want independence then why not give Hydrbad, Kashmir, and the Naxalites freedom they want? Islam is the relgiion of peace and prodperity. Hnidusim is a fake dying religion no one even follows. Just go eat a hamburger and get out of my face.

 
At 12:03 PM, Blogger Jalal said...

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At 12:05 PM, Blogger Jalal said...

And of course dieing for Islam is not suicide bombing like your Tamil tigers. There are 2 things that Allah will never forgive. Shirk & suicide. Defeat at Kargil LOOOOL we complely owned you in Kargil.

 
At 3:30 PM, Blogger vajra_wallop said...

Jalal, you speak like a true slave of Koran. Keep it up. Your forefathers who were raped and forced into Islam are proud of you.

Your comments are quite insightful of what a hateful hegemonical book can do to a perfectly logical humane individual.

 
At 3:32 PM, Blogger vajra_wallop said...

@ Jalal,
So which region in Pakistan are you from, then we can talk about who raped your forefathers and forced Islam on them and at what time in history.

 
At 4:16 PM, Blogger Jalal said...

Hahahaha you wanna talk about my forefathers. Reatard. Actually bitch my forefathers were the descendants of Abu Ayub Ansari and came to India to spread Islam. What reigon am I from? My Dad's side is from Laknow India and thel left for Lahore during the partition. My Mom is part Pashtun and part mohajir.

 
At 4:17 PM, Blogger Jalal said...

Heres my proof. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firangi_Mahal

 
At 8:14 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

To :मनोरमा चाची (Hindu brother)

Why do you have to be disrespectful to my faith? I follow this religion, i never say anything about anyone elses faith so why do you have to insult my faith to me?? If I insulted your faith i understand u to return an insult. But all i have been is respectful, so how dare you call our holy book a stupid text. Shame on you. I have lost all respect for you.

First of all, those are pagan statues in Mecca, nothing was looted from India. I dont know where you got that from.

Secondly, those same stupid mullahs have killed and tortured their own muslim people in the name of islam, so what they do is not in our hands. Theyre mentally dilluded animals who call themselves muslim. I cant do anything about that, and im really sorry that they did that. It is very disrespectful.

I for one, and many muslims are all for preserving history. Egyptians preserve all their pagan origin and their statues and pyramids, all that are considered unislamic, but Egypt is a islamic nation that spends billions of dollars preserving their pagan past and history. Dont they???

If you dont see that, then im sorry.

And wow, you are embarrasing your own country. Afghanistan is a poor, destructed, war torn, oppressed, depressing country with no economy, people there are breathing but are dead. if you dont know your own history. India and Afghanistan traded all the time. We would give pomegranites and other fruits and you guys would trade rice and etc. When we got invaded by the british, then the russians, then the taliban, and then the US, we lost everything, so India our blessed neighbor and ally gave us alot of aid and continues to do so. Thats why most afghans regard it as like their second country.We have much respect for India. But for an indian such as yourself to say "you didnt return the favor" is like a slap in the face and the lowest most disrespectful thing you can say, because you know that if Afghanistan gets back up on its feet it will be indebted and repay India and help out if theyre ever in need. Thats what allies and brothers do.

You have to bring this discrimination against hindus, u know that may apply to other muslims like taliban and saudis and pakis, but it does not apply to other muslims who have always regarded indians, hindus, christians, jews as their believing brothers. Especially Afghanistan. So it just saddens me to hear you say that. You dont know anything about my people so dont you dare say anything against them, and act like you have more knowledge about my own Afghan people, than I do.

Wow , now your blaming rich european stupid drug addicts on innocent afghan people who cant even feed their kids??? Just because westerns come to afghanistan and take our resources such as heroine, and instead of using for MEDICATION, they use it as DRUGS. HOW IS THAT OUR FAULT??????

If you grow grapes and someone makes wine out of them and becomes an alcoholic are you going to blame the person who grew the grapes????

If anything us Afghans should be mad at westerners for coming to our country taking our heroine for free, when our country has SHIT, nothing at all, and they take it for free and make money for themselvs by selling it to their own people to become drug addicts. THEY STEAL OUR RESOURCES, and we should be blamed for that??? WHAT THE ???

The only pictures of Afghanistan you have seen is the ones that most people see of Afghanistan TODAY, after the taliban after Western terrorism. If you saw Kabul museum in the 70's, there were thousands of old artifacts that we protected with our lives, literally. We had old buddha statues that were pure gold, my parents saw it in the museum, they were cleaned and protected by guards every day. Until the taliban came, beat them, and took the statues and looted them to PAKISTANIS WHO SOLD THEM FOR WORTHLESS MONEY TO EUROPEANS!!!. THEY DID THIS TO ALL OF OUR HISTORY!!!!!!

Research it yourself, my friend. Pakistani taliban, obliterated the Kabul museum and took our thousand year old stone buddhas, tiny miniature buddhas and broke them into pieces and left. Guess who picked those little pieces back up and put them in boxes and labelled them and hid them for protection? Guess who?? THE AFGHAN GUARDS WHO WERE CRYING, PICKED EACH PIECE UP AND PUT THEM IN BOXES AND TRIED TO FIX THEM!!!!!! AFGHAN GUARDS WHO WERE MUSLIM!!!!

Two guards who had been guarding Kabul museum for 20 years, were hit in the head and fell unconscious. when they woke back up, old persian paintings were burnt, zoroastrian artifacts were destroyed, golden buddha statues were looted, and all other buddha statues were broken into tiny pieces. These guards cried their eyes out, because they had been protecting these artifacts for 20 years, because it was part of their heritage, their history, their legacy. and they were Afghan and MUSLIM!!!

So dont you dare even go there, acting like we didnt care about our history. We would die for our history and heritage and thousands of Afghans have died for it under the taliban dogs.

This is just one of many heartbreaking stories, and it saddens me to hear you make false assumptions about Afghan people. Dont insult Afghan people for what has happened, it was Pakistani extremists and Wahabi Saudis who destroyed my country, with the help of the US!!!!

I dont want to argue with you, so please be respectful and understanding of my people and if you have a problem with my faith, i dont care because your on the same boat as a billion other people, but do not disrespect my faith to me. Dont say insulting things about the Quran to me, that is very disrespectful for anyone to insult someone elses holy text in front of them, especially when i didnt say anything about your beliefs. Please if u want to debate with me, go ahead, welcome, but please dont insult the Quran, or the Prophet again, or this debate is over. Im not tolerating that kind of disrespect. I hear enough of it.

 
At 8:23 PM, Blogger Jalal said...

Fereshta, your so misinformed. India never helps Afghanistan. Pakistan was the one who took millions of Afghanis refuge. Pakistan and Afghansitan are sister states. the durrand line is non-existent. How did India hlep you they allied with USSR! Pakistan gives billions to Afghanistan even now. And the Taliban was all Afghanis. Fine me 1 Taliban who was a Pakistani. We need to work together forthe future. Pakistan and Afghanistan have always had good relations. We need to unite and beocme stornger. Im half Pashtun and feel a strong connection with Afghanis. The westand India are best friends. We Muslims must rise again.

 
At 8:31 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Jalal dear blessed brother,

I am sorry to offend you, and i understand your nationalism for pakistan, but your telling me that we muslims need to "unite". Well I will unite with Muslims, but I am not uniting with extremist, terrorist, pakistanis who ruined my country. Now im not referring to pakistani civilians who respect their brothers, im talking about the Government, the mujahideen, the taliban, and anyone who supports them and if you are one of them, then im sorry i cannot respect you because you support people who ruined my country, but if your a normal pakistani muslim, then much respect to you brother.

Pashto zabaan Pashtuns of south eastern Afghanistan and western Pakistan ruined my country, not farsi zabans. What the hell did farsi zabans do???

Did they throw acid on womens faces? Did they marry 13 year olds who would other wise be stoned to death? did they wrap bombs around their chest and kill families? Did they shoot missiles at schools and hospitals? Did they torch the house of minorities, with their children still inside??? NO!!! PASHTO ZABANS of the south east and Western Pakistan did all of that.

Crimes against humanity, genocide of hazaras and farsi zabaans. Dont blame farsi zabans, you dont know anything about the occurence of Afghanistan, your just fed with the same propoganda that your pakistani pashtun mom unfortunately hears and believes from her relatives or whoever she hears it from. Im sorry for your ignorance i dont blame you. I pray for you and your mom to see the truth instead of be blinded by tribal nationalism.

By the way, I am a Loghari Pakhtun myself, and im saying this. Why? because I am an honest person and i will not protect anyone who commits crimes against innocent victims, even if those commiting the crimes are FROM MY OWN TRIBE!!! Because before I am a Pakhtun, I am an Afghan, and before I am Afghan I am a Muslim, and before I am Muslim, I am a HUMAN BEING. and i love and respect human beings, and i protect and defend them with my life, whether they are pakhtun, tajik, hindu, australian, arab, or whatever.

Anytime i gain knowledge of something that is wrong, i will speak against it, i dont care who commits the crime. That is justice, there is no room for bias for me, I will not defend my own Pakhtun people just because I am from their tribe, They did horrible, disgusting, and cruel things against innocent people, and I will speak against them and fight against them because I am a MUSLIM and HUMAN and i am a defender of innocent people, like all Muslims and all humans should be!!!!


Go research yourself who commited the crimes: PATHANS/PASHTUNS/PAKHTUNS/PAKIS/
ARABS/US GOVT/CIA/SAUDIS/WAHABIS/
COMMUNISTS/

These terrorist animals ruined my country.


I hope you gain knowledge of what really happened and you look beyond the bias and the propoganda, insh'Allah.


Khudai Pahman!!!!

 
At 8:47 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Jalal brother,

Pakistan has taken Afghan refugees and treats them like animals, like sub humans, like dogs!!! I have relatives who escaped to pakistan, and every day of their life their so called pakistani muslim "brothers" have reminded them over and over again that they are not welcome there. This is from personal experience, I have been to Pakistan myself, my mom was a refugee there, my uncles family lived there. Afghans are treated like a parasite in Pakistan.

They call afghans "toilet cleaners". WHAT KIND OF MUSLIM BROTHERS DO THAT??????

All the war and torture and pain we have gone through, and all we ask is for protection and kindness, so we seek help in our muslim brother nations Iran and Pakistan, and BOTH OF THESE COUNTRIES SPIT ON US AND TREAT US LIKE DOGS!!!!

SO MUCH FOR THE "UMMAH". WHAT UMMAH??? WHERE??? I DONT SEE IT ANYWHERE!!!

And you want me to unite?? You want Afghans to unite with these pakistani "brothers" who treat Afghans like animals?

No thank you, brother, your nations "hospitality" and "help" has farrrrr exceeded our expectations, i mean seriously.

Please, I know Afghans who left pakistan to go back to being bombed in Afghanistan, because they would have rather lived in those conditions than be put at a level lower than dirt by their "muslim" brothers.

You are misinformed dear brother. You have no idea what your nation has done to Afghans.

It was PAKISTAN who ruined our nation and it was pakistani citizens who treated Afghan refugees like animals. First they ruin our country, then when we go to their country, they treat us like animals. And then they speak of "muslim brotherhood".

That is complete BS!!! That is the biggest lie i have ever observed in my life. Im sorry you dont know this about your own country. Why do they hate us so much??? What did we do??? How could people who claim to be our muslim "brothers" treat us like this? Pakistan is our neighbor, we follow the same religion, but they treat us like the lowest subhuman disease animal in the world. They treat us like animals!!!!

Pakis treat indian hindus better than they treat Afghan muslims!! THAT IS SAD!!!!!!!

 
At 9:04 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Pakistan has given billions of dollars of aid?? Oh yeah you mean to the terrorist taliban and mujahideen??? WOW how nice.

India gives Afghanistan billions of dollars of aid every year. They help us build roads, they build schools, they build theaters. What has pakistan given? India has always helped Afghanistan and respected it.

Indian people would come to Afghanistan and open shops and help our economy. What would pakistan people do? THey would come to our country and open terrorist camp madrasas for children. They ruined our future generation of innocent children, who grow up to be taliban torturing women, and beating old men who cant pray!!

Indians would build schools and promote education and most of them are not even muslim, and you guys claim to be our muslim "brothers" and what did you do to contribute to your muslim brothers other than throw discrimination, torture, terrorism, and spiteful hatred towards us??

When our king: Zahir Shah passed away, the only country in the whole world that lowered its flag in respect for our kings death was INDIA!!!!!!HINDUSTAN!!!


Why didnt Pakistan or Iran or Saudi Arabia or US or UK lower their flag??? WHY? Because they have no respect for our history, they have no respect for our leaders, they have no respect for us!!! INDIA DOES!!!INDIA ALWAYS HAS!!!

India has been our neighbor longer than Pakistan has, India and Afghanistan have thousands of years of their own history, Pakistan has no history at all, all of its history is Hindu or Afghan.

Afghanistan and India were prospering, rich, and safe nations until the creation of pakistan, now we have suicide bombers, terrorists, and genocide, thanks to the creation of Pakistan.

India loves us, Pakistan hates us
India looks up to us, Pakistan looks down on us, India builds our schools, Pakistan blows up our schools!!

Im sorry, but if i were you I would support Baloch nationalism or I would call myself Pakhtun, but i would not defend Pakistan.

Pakistan and Israel has ruined the world. The world could do without these two illegal terrorist nations. Im sorry, but that is the only solution I see to world peace.

 
At 1:44 PM, Blogger Jalal said...

Sister Fershta Im sorry to infrom you how wrong you are. Afghanis are responsible for their own demise and Im sorry but you cant blame your problems on us. Afghanis supported the Taliban and extremists. The Taliban were all Farsi speaking Afghanis! How can Pashtuns be treated like parasite what the difference between Afghani Pashtuns and Pakistani Pashtuns? Is Imran Khan our hero treated like a parasite. My Mom gets all th respect and she might as well be an Afghani. Hazara genoicde is all by Farsis. Did you catch the movie Kite Runner it was all Farsis who hated the Hazaras and Pakis did nothing. The Taliban is not our fault its Americas why blame us? They trained them and gave them weapons. Pakistanis are much more liberaland modern than Afghanis and Afghanis have way more extremists. Barely any terrorists are Pakis they are all Farsi speaking Afghans. If the Farsis want their own nation then fine but Pashtuns need to unite with Pakistan. The goverment of Pakistan is a little corrupt but dont act like India isn't. the Muhajideen are not Pakis but Afghanis. Stop balming us for your problems. Its not Pakistan who did this but America and USSR. Pakistan has always an still helps war victims. India has helped how by allying with the USSR who wanted to destroy you that makes sense. Muslims are all brothers and sisters we need to unite. When were Muslims the world power? When we were all united. The west has tried to divide us.

 
At 2:53 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Jalal brother

I have come to the conclusion that you are either

1. the most ignorant person i have ever met

or

2. mentally dilluded and insane



Everyone in the world who knows about the taliban know that not even one member of the taliban were farsi zaban.

You are crazy. Kite Runner shows the pashtun boy raping the hazara. Have you read the book? The boy was PASHTUN and he tortured the little hazara kid and made fun of him. Everyone knows that

And you are making a fool of yourself.

There is a huge difference between pakistani pashtuns and Afghani pashtuns. Pakistani pashtuns are punjabi blood mixed, they are no longer pashtun. They are dilusional. They are traitors. They are not our pashtun brothers they are slaves to pakistan.

Afghan Pashtuns are the only real, true pashtuns left in this world. Pakistan pashtuns were afghan before pakistan was created, as soon as the border was drawn, they became pakistani and they are not our brothers. Im sorry to inform you, most afghan pashtuns do not consider sari wearing, daal eating pakistani peshawar people pashtuns. they are farr from pashtun. they dont look pashtun, they dont have pashtun culture and they are not pashtun. they are traitors. sorry.


Pakistan?? Liberal??? That is the funniest thing i have ever heard in my life. Everyone knows that Pakistani is the second most extremist terrorist nation in the world. They even announced that on cnn.

Im sorry but its pointless arguing with someone who actually thinks pakistan is liberal. thats very funny. Please no more talking, im done, unless you do your research. Im not talking to ignorant people who actually think the taliban were farsi zaban. hahahahahahaha. thats soooo funny. hahahahaha

Salaam Alaykum

Khudah Hafiz

 
At 3:59 PM, Blogger vajra_wallop said...

@ Jalal
Actually its funny you say your forefathers came to "spread" Islam.

99% of Muslims in South Asia are children of coerced converts. Yet ALL of them say their forefathers were Turks and Arabs and Persians who cmae to spread Islam.

Mass Stolkholm Syndrome at its best....oh Koran slave.

 
At 4:04 PM, Blogger vajra_wallop said...

@ Jalal:

Every Muslim wants to call himself "asraf"...

I pity the soul of your ancestors who probably went through so much suffering before they had to read the Kalma.

Now their children are eager to pepetrate the same crime on others and on their.

Fareshta' erudite comments have provided me a new insight into how Koran slaves treat their own Muslim borthers and sisters who disagree with them.

 
At 4:29 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

vajra_wallop brother


Well Im glad you see that insight because unfortunately its true. This guy does not know about his own history, which is sad because the illegal country of pakistan has no more than 60 years of history. Theres not that much history to even learn. I feel sorry for him.

I am Muslim and even I will not deny that my ancestors were forced to conversion. Theres no denying how they spread islam in South Asia and Afghanistan and Iran. Out of force. Thats true, but that does not mean that all its followers today will force it on others as well.

Right now its just Pakistanis and Saudis forcing normal decent muslims to become extremist wahabi terrorists and if they dont submit, they torture and kill them and yet they call them their "brothers" and ask them to unite. This is hypocrisy at its best.

 
At 8:18 PM, Blogger Jalal said...

Fereshta your comment are not only untrue but immature. If this is the way you want to talk then I no longer want to have a discussion with you. I find it so sad that you blame all Afghanistan's problems on Pakistan when it was America who set up the Taliban. In kite runner everyone spoke Farsi my friend. I never insulted you nor called you ignorant. And where are you getting this from? Does Afghanistan have any prominenet sngers or rockband? Any female politicians? Any famous painters or writers? Any anything? Any economy any technolagy. Afghanistan is a backwards wasteland and I find it humorous that you blame Pakistan when it helps Afghanistan in every way possible. Wehere would Afghanis go if we did aid them India? We saved all of oyu and this ungratefulness in disgusting. Even Kiterunner speaks of Pakistan's hospitality. Its you who need a reality check. Pashuns in Pakistan are the real Pashtuns. Not the backwards extremists you Afghanis are. Afghanis isnt amountign to anything. There are so many ways in whcih I could insult your country but I wont. Because a brother doesnt insult his sister. Assalamualakom may Allah guide you on the straight path. And you say Islam was spread through force? Thats what I call a traitor. Islam was spread through Sufism. And Vraja whatever you dont deserve a response. Indians are the msot corrupt people in the world.

 
At 8:22 PM, Blogger Jalal said...

And your so funny Pakistan is one of the most liberal countries in the world. We let women have goverment positions, and vote, and drive. We allow music. We dont have Sharia law. We are a nucleur power with a booming economy. Can afghanis claim any of these accompishemnts. No because their leaders are backwards extremists set up by the American goverement.

 
At 9:17 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

The only two countries in the whole world that recognized the taliban were Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Pakistani govt and people harbored the taliban and the central taliban madrasa is located in Islamabad, and you are telling me that Pakistan didnt do anything??? You dont know about your own country. Im sorry if i sound mean, im not trying to be rude, this is history, go check it yourself brother, you will see.

Everyone knows this, even my american teachers teach about the middle east and when they talk about Afghanistan, my teachers, so far 3 of my american teachers have explained how pakistan is half of the reason why Afghanistan is the way it is today.

Are you telling me that my educated professors, the US department of Security and the CIA are all lying??? And that your little pakistan bechara country is innocent? Sorry I choose to accept the truth and believe the educated ones.

Listen to your own comments brother.

If pakistan "helped" Afghanistan, would Afghanistan be a wasteland today???? NO IT WOULDNT

If pakistan minded its own business instead of spreading terrorism on its two neighbors, India and Afghanistan would not be suffering today. Especially Afghanistan. I dont put all blame on Pakistan, only half of it. The other half of the blame goes to Saudi Arabia and the US.

What movie did you watch? Because i dont think it was kite runner my friend. They speak farsi in the movie because farsi is the official language and its widely known. The boy that became taliban that tortured the hazaras was a Pashtun!!! Please please please go read the book if you dont believe me. Wallah, i have no reason to lie about this, go read the book. its a waste of time for us to argue about this, its in the book. go read it!!!!!!

You say you wont insult me after you already insult me and my country?? That doesnt make sense, but i dont blame you brother. its okay.

How am I a traitor because Im telling the truth? Ive been defending islam longer in this forum than you have and your calling me a traitor? I am a Muslim therefore I speak the truth. Im not going to deny history brother, Islam was forced in south Asians and Persian people.

Hazrat Muhammad (SAWS) prohibited forcing conversion on people, but after he passed away, the leaders that took over after him spread it through force, against his wish. against his advice. This is what non muslims dont understand. The Quran is against forceful conversion, but they did not listen and they did force Irani people of Iran Afghanistan Tajikistan Uzbekistan, and Desi people of Greater India to convert.

Sorry its called greater india, because a thousand years ago your country did not exist!

I pray you find the truth and research yourself dear brother. Im sorry I insulted you and i dont mean to be offensive, im just saddened by how hurtful the truth is.

Khudah Hafiz

 
At 9:26 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

30 years ago, Afghanistan was one of the most liberal countries in the world. We let women have goverment positions, and vote, and drive. We allowed music. We didnt have Sharia law. had a booming economy. Your right today we cannot claim any of this because our leaders are backwards extremists set up by the American goverement and supported by our muslim "brothers" in pakistan and saudi arabia!!

But insh'Allah, khudah wan merabaan hast!!!! ANd our country will be the way it was 30 years ago, insh'Allah, because Afghans have always been liberal, good hearted and peaceful people who protect their country from invaders. We go down in history as that. What you see of Afghanistan today, does not respresent even 1% of our people. Why do you think, Afghans are one of the largest refugee displaced people in the world??? Because they run away from extremism from their country, because they hate extremism, they are liberal free, kind people that have been suffering under the misuse of islam for the last 20 years at the hands of the US and Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. These three countries!!

 
At 2:11 AM, Blogger मनोरमा चाची said...

Dear Sister Fereshta

I am overwhelmed to see your guts and your stubbornness. I would like to respond to you

“Shame on you. I have lost all respect for you.”

Actually I didn’t expect any respect from you at the first place itself. Being a non-muslim, and that too being a Kafir at that(according to your religion), I belong to a faith that has a deep and sound philosophy of worshipping through an idol (rather than idol-worshipping, put in a stupid Islamic way of thinking) and hence I am a pure Kafir, and a practical one at that. Respect from a Muslim?? Oh that’s too much of a demand. If Muslims had ever been respectful to the people of other faiths, then half of the world’s problems would have been solved today.

“First of all, those are pagan statues in Mecca, nothing was looted from India. I dont know where you got that from”

I am not referring to the black stone of Kaba or the Golden Eye sort of that thing. It is a known history that Mahmud of Ghazni attacked Indian and looted the Somenath temple of Gujarat. “Mahmud personally hammered the temple's gilded lingam to pieces and the stone fragments were carted back to Ghazni, where they were incorporated into the steps of the city's new Jamiah Masjid (Friday mosque).” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somnath
Here I would like to apologize that I made a mistake, by saying that it was in Mecca. But please go through this article whose link I have put on. You will understand how brutally, the spreaders of Islam had looted the holiest of our shrines. And you call Islam and innocent lamb?

Here I will also articulate a similar incidence behind which your own beloved prophet was responsible. A very similar incident, when Muhammad entered Mecca and captured the city-what he did??

“ When Muhammad conquered Mecca, he destroyed the 360 idols around Kaaba which the Meccan pagans possessed. [28][29] There was one god for each day of the year. [28] While destroying each idol, Muhammad recited [Qur'an 17:81] which says "Truth has arrived and falsehood has perished for falsehood is by its nature bound to perish." [28][29]Muhammad then entered the Kaaba and ordered all the pictures to be destroyed. [29] “

Now this is it. This was one bloody barbaric act done by your prophet. Had he any respect for art and paintings he would not have destroyed those statues and pictures. But he didn’t. This incidence to this date inspires all your jehadi brothers to destroy shrines and temples of other religions. Naturally the Islamic forces which destroyed the Buddha statues of bamiyan , and those at the Afghan National Museum were directly inspired by your prophet. By doing these things they felt the pride that they were carrying forward the legacy of Muhammad. And it is very silly and amusing to see, people like you sandwiched between Islam and Modern principle of Humanity, desperately trying to save Islam and pushing the fact hat Islam is not Islam. Ha ha ha. And by the way, there is no pagan statue left at Mecca.

“Secondly, those same stupid mullahs have killed and tortured their own muslim people in the name of islam, so what they do is not in our hands. Theyre mentally dilluded animals who call themselves muslim. I cant do anything about that, and im really sorry that they did that. It is very disrespectful.”

Islam has always shown itself to be a hate-breeding machinery. There is very nice thought .Which is very very true to the core.
“Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.
"Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, "The Haj"
All that you have told me about Afghan killng Afghans is a manifestation of this very fact. And how secular and integrating and non-discriminating Muslims are is clear by this simple fact. Go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecca#Culture

“I for one, and many muslims are all for preserving history. Egyptians preserve all their pagan origin and their statues and pyramids, all that are considered unislamic, but Egypt is a islamic nation that spends billions of dollars preserving their pagan past and history. Dont they??? If you dont see that, then im sorry.”

HA HA HA? What a face saving technique. Do you know about Egypt? Egypt is a by and far a poor country and its main revenues come from tourism. If Egypt doesn’t preserve those pagan statues and monuments, its economy will shatter. I solely agree that there are many Muslim and native Egyptologists who are dedicated preservers of Egypt’s pagan past but that does not in any way reflect the mindset of the Muslim society in toto. If the Islamic nation is preserving its pagan heritage, it may be because of two reasons
1. Preserving the past heritage for the sake of PRIDE
2. Preserving it because it bring the country invaluable DOLLARS in LUMPS.
Now which way will you look? I can tell you many incidents where muslims have totally ditched and destroyed the monuments and artifacts of their rich past, inspired by Islam. I solely come to the conclusion that in case of Egypt, the second reason is a more influential factor.
Now I think you gotta see THAT!
And please go through this link to know how Egypt treats non-muslims
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt#Religion

“India and Afghanistan traded all the time. We would give pomegranites and other fruits and you guys would trade rice and etc.”

FYI, Ms Ferestha, India and Afghanistan at one time were one country! RUDE SHOCK? Isn’t ? Our epic Mahabharata, describes Gandhari as the princess of Gandhar which you people now call as Kandahar. And innumerable number of times it had been part of Indian Kingdoms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandhari_%28character%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandhara

Your concept of Greater India wherin you include Pakistan extends well to Afghanistan, which like Pakistan is an Islamised mutilated arm of India. So before saying that Pakistan is India, please also have the guts to digest the fact that Afghanistan was also a part of Bharat varsha. I can expect a stupid remark from any Porki as I have a sound idea how history is taught in Pakistan but in your case…let’s see.

“Thats why most afghans regard it as like their second country.We have much respect for India. But for an indian such as yourself to say "you didnt return the favor" is like a slap in the face and the lowest most disrespectful thing you can say, because you know that if Afghanistan gets back up on its feet it will be indebted and repay India and help out if theyre ever in need. Thats what allies and brothers do.”

How ungrateful and shameless Muslims can be, we have already had a first hand experience from Bangladesh. We gave that country its freedom, but what did it give us in return? Terrorist like HUJIs, illegal immigrants who are coming like an Islamizing force, blockage towards traveling to north-east. It is worth mentioning, that at the time of war the biggest betrayer, the pro Pakistani Jamat-E-Islami now forms the coalition govt in Bangladesh and is instrumental in torturing the remaining Bengali Hindus living there. GREAT RETURN indeed. I have totally lost trust in Muslims. ALL MUSLIMS ARE ALIKE.

“You have to bring this discrimination against hindus, u know that may apply to other muslims like taliban and saudis and pakis, but it does not apply to other muslims who have always regarded indians, hindus, christians, jews as their believing brothers.”

These are the fringe minority of peoples, like a dot in a map. Nowhere to be seen, non-effective, weak and unsettled. They cannot bring any change. These are the people sandwiched between Islam and modernity and trying to place Islam in the modern era, a respectful place. But sorry Mam, the efforts of you, a few many is too small to undo the deed of the greater mass-the intolerant, extremists MUSALMAANS.

“Just because westerns come to afghanistan and take our resources such as heroine, and instead of using for MEDICATION, they use it as DRUGS. HOW IS THAT OUR FAULT??????

Oh poor sister, it is their fault—not totally? Opium farming is banned in every country. And westerners do not come to your country, it is your country which grows this illegal opium, processes them and smuggles into other countries. But my point as different- I was asking how come, Allah’s own Afghanistan, an abode of Islam, full of Muslamaans, allow Opium farming? Is it not banned in Quran. It pretty shows the picture, that when you have to kill, torture and loot non-Muslims you follow Quran, but when it comes to save your ass and earn money you casually ditch it. MEDICATION my foot!

“If anything us Afghans should be mad at westerners for coming to our country taking our heroine for free, when our country has SHIT,”
Oh please cut this crap. Afghanis are not growing Opium instead of wheat and oats because it is taken away for free but it gives them the maximum returns. It is a profitable lot. If opium were taken for as low as free, then why not grow wheat and feed the people?

“If you saw Kabul museum in the 70's, there were thousands of old artifacts that we protected with our lives, literally. We had old buddha statues that were pure gold, my parents saw it in the museum, they were cleaned and protected by guards every day. Until the taliban came, beat them, and took the statues and looted them to PAKISTANIS WHO SOLD THEM FOR WORTHLESS MONEY TO EUROPEANS!!!. THEY DID THIS TO ALL OF OUR HISTORY!!!!!!”

The talibanis thought that they were carrying forward Prophet’s legacy, as what he did when he entered Mecca, destroyed thousands of pictures and 360 idols. You call it Taliban or Porkistan, but actually its Islam.

“Research it yourself, my friend. Pakistani taliban, obliterated the Kabul museum and took our thousand year old stone buddhas, tiny miniature buddhas and broke them into pieces and left.”

As I said earlier, they were carrying forward the prophecy of Muhammad.

“Guess who picked those little pieces back up and put them in boxes and labelled them and hid them for protection? Guess who?? THE AFGHAN GUARDS WHO WERE CRYING, PICKED EACH PIECE UP AND PUT THEM IN BOXES AND TRIED TO FIX THEM!!!!!! AFGHAN GUARDS WHO WERE MUSLIM!!!!”

Poor people, they were clutched in their love for history and art and culture, and hammer of Islam breaking them. But hope they could realize the mistake their forefathers done centuries ago, by adopting this foreign religion, an outsider religion, a non-afghan culture. But alas, it was too late.

“Two guards who had been guarding Kabul museum for 20 years, were hit in the head and fell unconscious. when they woke back up, old persian paintings were burnt, zoroastrian artifacts were destroyed, golden buddha statues were looted, and all other buddha statues were broken into tiny pieces.”

I repeat Muhamad did the same when he entered Mecca. To a Mulsim a Hindu, Buddhist or a Zoroastrian temple is like a Mecca waiting to be destroyed and looted or in an Islamic way of thinking “purified”. This is the core philosophy of Islam and that’s why I hate it, and have no respect for it. In India also there are many sites where these Mullahs attacked our holiest temples ransacked it, destroyed it and converted it into a mosque. Eg Babri Masjid(which I say with pride that we have turned into dust), Kashi Vishwanath Temple, and so on. In fact our holiest Jagannath temple in Orissa was attempted to be converted into a mosque, but due credit to our then king clever Narayandeva, who through use of treachery and deceit, fooled the mulsims, amd killed all of them. Thus one more shrine of ours was saved.

“So dont you dare even go there, acting like we didnt care about our history. We would die for our history and heritage and thousands of Afghans have died for it under the taliban dogs.”

But ultimately you couldn’t save it. This is the power of Islam. Once you have accepted Islam, things like these are bound to tale place. You can do nothing but cry, weep and willow. But we are Hindus, tough faithful Hindus, we have protected, resurrected and restored our shrines from Mullahs. And we will continue to do that.

“This is just one of many heartbreaking stories, and it saddens me to hear you make false assumptions about Afghan people. Dont insult Afghan people for what has happened, it was Pakistani extremists and Wahabi Saudis who destroyed my country, with the help of the US!!!!”

I see Islam as the main underlying force, playing like a silent mastermind. All else is just a superficial manifestation.

“I dont want to argue with you, so please be respectful and understanding of my people and if you have a problem with my faith, i dont care because your on the same boat as a billion other people, but do not disrespect my faith to me. Dont say insulting things about the Quran to me, that is very disrespectful for anyone to insult someone elses holy text in front of them, especially when i didnt say anything about your beliefs.”

I say such things about Qoran and Muslim because me and my family has been a victim of Qoran. We are non-muslims, we are Bengali hindus hailing frin Bangladesh. During late 40s we were thrown out of our homelands by Islamic forces. Why would not I say such things about muslims and Islam when it is like that only?

And ma’m as with many other cases, I see, that you have also tactfully avoided answering a critical question I asked you. Why is it that Afghanistan is not an isolated case? The jingoism and intolerance and brutality of mulsims, why it is so spectacularly similar in varied parts of the world separated by 1000’s of miles? Why it is the same problem with Pakistan, Iran, Bangladesh, Indonesia etc? How can you explain these fact if you not come to the conclusion that there is something INHERRENTLY WRONG WITH ISLAM? There is an old provereb in Sanskrit || फलेन वृक्षम परिचायते || (falena vriksham parichayate) Which means that a tree is identified by the fruit it bears. Similarly islam, it seems that it bears the poison fruit. Now you argue that its leaves, bark and roots are non-poisonous. The fact remains the same that in spite of all those good-sweet-sounding-peace-giving thoughts in Qoran, Islam has become a polluted lot. It is now time to shove it off for the better good of the world, for the better good of Humanity.

I PRAY TO LORD, that may Afghanistan see again the days of its Glory, the days of its prosperity, the glorious days of its Hindu past.

 
At 9:06 AM, Blogger Jalal said...

Fereshta, what did Pakistan do that was so wrong? Afghanistan never had a booming ecoonmy or women in goverment positions. All extremists and terrorists and the Taliban are from Afghanistan. Its their fault not the Pakistanis. I dont understand what was so wrong about the Taliban. Afghanistan was moving forward with them. Eventually we would have been able to get rid o htem and unite bt then America inerfered. Women could never vote and drive! They have been suffering from their own misuse of Islam and extremism. They run away just to survive. And a real Muslim would know all about sufists and how Islam spread in south Asia.

 
At 11:16 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Dear मनोरमा चाची brother,

India was part of Afghanistan several times throughout history. just for your information, you even mentioned one of the empires, ghaznavid.

Just because hindu religion was significantly flourished in Afghanistan, doesnt give you a right to claim Afghanistan as part of greater India because it never was.

You make no sense. Pakistanis speak hindi/urdu/ they are dark and have hindi features, they are your people.

Afghan people are fars, aryan and they speak Iranic persian languages. You have no claim whatsoever over Afghanistan as part of your own. Afghanistan was part of Persia longer than it was part of India, and after that Afghanistan was Bactria, Khorasan zameen, an independant farsi zaban Aryan nation. We have no relation to Desi/paki/hindu people. Wow so just because some of us were hindu in faith doesnt give you a right to claim us as your own. Alot of Afghans were zoroastrian too.

Greater India is Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, Tibet, etc. All those ethnic hindu, dravidian, desi people.

Greater Iran includes Iran Uzbekistan tajikistan, Afghanistan, and parts of Iraq.

No offense but please dont categorize us with indic people, because we are far from it.


Okay now I say extremists are to blame, you say islam is to blame.

THERE IS NO END TO THIS ARGUEMENT!!!

Im just going to answer your question and im done.

You say howcome Afghanistan is not the only isolated case

I will tell you again, because Afghanistan is the result of two powerful islamic nations (saudi Arabia and Pakistan) who converge their influence with the west: the US and UK. CIA spreads extremism all over the middle east, there are too many cases that were revealed that were backed by the cia, im not going over all of that.You do research yourself.

Im sorry your family went through persecution in the name of islam, but the fact that you put all your lifes blame on a religion shows how ignorant you are and how pointless this conversation is.

Islam is the religion of mankind. It is the religion of knowledge and peace and coexistence. I know it, because i am lucky enough to be a muslim, even in these hard times where my religion is misinterpreted and misused in the media.

Alhumdulilah I am muslim. thank God. Im thankful it was forced on my ancestors, we were misguided barbarians before islam.

Alhumdulilah!!! Subahan Allah!!!

Khudaya Shukur!!

I am so blessed to be an Afghan and a Muslim.

And with that said. Bless you, good luck and i pray you become elightened with the truth insh'Allah!

 
At 11:27 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Jalal brother

You dont know what the taliban did wrong? Well i cant help you with that, if its not clear enough for you already to see what they have done wrong.

You have no knowledge of Afghan history so dont say anything. You are being very ignorant. Do you think Afghans have no cars and they dont know what a pencil looks like either? God, whats wrong with you. I am so offended right now.

Im done with this, you and that hindu guy, Im done with you guys and your stupid ignorance. its making me sick. You guys are not Afghan and you dont know what my country is like right now as well as what it even was like in the past. You guys dont know anything so back off from my countrys politics and history. Wallah, american people know more than you guys and they are thousands of miles away, India and Pakistan are my neighbor!!! and yet your guys ignorance is far worse than American people who have no connection culturally with our country. That is sad for both of you. Very sad. Tobah Khudaya. Even atleast i know somewhat about your countries

I have never been insulted this much by desi people in my life because I am Afghan or Muslim.

KHALAS KHALAS KHALAS. Im done with this ignorance.

Baas dega, khalas shudom!

God help both of you insh'Allah.

 
At 4:51 AM, Blogger suraj said...

Alhumdulilah I am muslim. thank God. Im thankful it was forced on my ancestors, we were misguided barbarians before islam

Shame on you Fereshta. Tomoorow your children will be proude saying thank God, Talibanism was forced on my ancestor. But this was expected.

Wallah, american people know more than you guys and they are thousands of miles away,

Good ALL AMERICANS. First you say they(CIA) destroyed your country and now you say that they are very nice, informed people. COOL.

You make no sense. Pakistanis speak hindi/urdu/ they are dark and have hindi features, they are your people.

Hah! If colour and language was the factors to define India, then India can be as good as a continent. Don't you know that there are many Indians who are "Mongoloid"? You tell me that you know about my country, you have no idea what mighty INDIA is made of.

Afghan people are fars, aryan and they speak Iranic persian languages.

Ha ha! Madam, In our country alone we have people speaking three major different language group. Indo Aryan, Dravidian and Tibeto-Burman. Another language group which falls well under Indo European languages. And talking about Persians, the authentic indegineous natives of Peria, the Parsi Zoroastrians, due to Islamic Prosecution made India their home and now they proudly identify themselves as Indians. And mam form Time immemorial Afghanistan was a part of India before Islamic Invaders attacked it and captured it and then Gradually destroyed it. The last Hindu rulers of Afghanistan were the Shahi Kings Shishu pala. Before that It was part of Mauryan(Ashoka) and Gupta and Kushan Empire.

You call Ghazanvid Empire Indian? That bloody son of bitch Mahmood of Ghazni, destroyed our temples and looted our country! He is Indian? My FOOT!

Im sorry your family went through persecution in the name of islam, but the fact that you put all your lifes blame on a religion shows how ignorant you are and how pointless this conversation is.

I put the blame on Islam because it just didnt happen with my family only. It happened with many other fmailes who weer miles apart, but prosecuted by Mulsims. Terrorism and Intolerence is a common featur e of Islam and all these strikingly similar incidence cannot take place globe apart if there isn't something inherently wrong with ISLAM. In my previous post, I gave you two parallel incidences of "Muhammad" enetring Mecca and destroying idols/paintings, I also made it clear that it is Muhammd and Muhammd only who inspires terrorists like Taliban to break Buddha statues of Bamiyan.

I BET YOU HAVE NO ANSWER

Islam is the religion of mankind. It is the religion of knowledge and peace and coexistence.

BULLSHIT. If this were true then there would not have been so many troubles between muslims and non-muslims all over the world

And with that said. Bless you, good luck and i pray you become elightened with the truth insh'Allah!

Hope! you come out of this hypnosis that ISLAM has casted upon you.

I have never been insulted this much by desi people in my life because I am Afghan or Muslim.

I didn't vow to insult you personally sis. My target was Islam and Muslims.

KHALAS KHALAS KHALAS. Im done with this ignorance.

Baas dega, khalas shudom!


I knew that at the end, having no answer you will choose to escape and ignore.

But yaar Don't copy dialouges from OUR bollywood movies.

God help both of you insh'Allah.

I am not in need of any help. It is you and your country which is. So ask Allah for yourself.(It seems ALlah is deaf).

My country is growing strong and powerful and we are the ones aiding your country, building schools, roads and jobs.

 
At 11:38 AM, Blogger Jalal said...

"You dont know what the taliban did wrong? Well i cant help you with that, if its not clear enough for you already to see what they have done wrong."
Im sorry to hear that. The Taliban was making Afghanistan better than what it was a FAILED nation.

Y"ou have no knowledge of Afghan history so dont say anything. You are being very ignorant. Do you think Afghans have no cars and they dont know what a pencil looks like either? God, whats wrong with you. I am so offended right now."
Ok Im sure.I konw Afghanis and Pakistansi once lived together under 1 empire. You know how many cities Afghnistan has with phone? 1

"Im done with this, you and that hindu guy, Im done with you guys and your stupid ignorance. its making me sick. You guys are not Afghan and you dont know what my country is like right now as well as what it even was like in the past. You guys dont know anything so back off from my countrys politics and history. Wallah, american people know more than you guys and they are thousands of miles away, India and Pakistan are my neighbor!!! and yet your guys ignorance is far worse than American people who have no connection culturally with our country. That is sad for both of you. Very sad. Tobah Khudaya. Even atleast i know somewhat about your countries"
I know everytihng about this its you whos in denial and is ginorant. Pakistanis are dark dravadians? Are you reatarded. There was never a timein history when Paksitan was part of India and Afghansitan wasnt? Pakistanis are not all dark.What about Pashtuns their evn lighter than most Afghans. Were not Dravadian we are Indo-Aryan.

"I have never been insulted this much by desi people in my life because I am Afghan or Muslim."
ok im sorry Afghanistan is a wasteland any you cant accept its the US and your own extremists fault and have to blame us.

 
At 10:39 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Suraj...

Ghaznavi empire was AFGHAN!! Thats what i was saying.

Your right i dont know more about your country than you and you dont know about mine more than me. Thats the point Im trying to make.

Just because your language has hundreds of farsi words doesnt mean im copying a bollywood dialect.

Yes and on behalf of my people, i would like to thank your country for the help. I really appreciate it.

and with that said

Good bye

 
At 10:45 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Jalal

Pashtuns are Afghan originally, they are Aryans from Afghanistan and be proud of being desi, its not something to be ashamed of. Sure i know some pakis and indians are indo aryan, but Afghans are ARYAN! Theres a difference. thats all im saying.

"There was never a timein history when Paksitan was part of India and Afghansitan wasnt?"

That is the biggest BS stupidity and ignorance I have ever heard in my life. Go educate yourself brother.

Khudah Hafiz.

 
At 10:48 AM, Blogger vajra_wallop said...

Fareshta:

The way u said, "its good that your forefathers were forced into Islam, because they were barbarians anyway, really saddened me".

You may want to read the Upanishads, to see who the real barbarians have turned out to be...

Your Hindu forefathers, or your fellow Koran-slaves.

 
At 1:30 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

vajra wallop

Well your hatred against my people and my religion and you and Jalal and Suraj's inconsiderate cold hearted and carelessness for humanity makes me sick.

I would never insult a war torn country and put blame on the people and act like they deserve it , REGARDLESS OF WHAT RELIGION THEY FOLLOW!!

They are human beings, it doesnt matter if they are muslim, hindu, christian. Shame on you guys for even caring. What matters is that they are human beings.

THOSE ARE CHILDREN THAT ARE DYING. ALL CHILDRENS BLOOD IS WORTHY, WHETHER THEYR BLOOD RUNS THICK WITH HINDU MUSLIM BUDDHIST JEWISH ANCESTRY, ITS STILL CHILDRENS BLOOD. ITS THE SAME.

And if you three heartless people dont see that, then shame on you.

What was my first comment??? What did i say in my very first comment? Go and look. all i said was that we asians must unite against western imperialism. Im all about unity between South Asians middle easterns, muslim, hindu, christian, and u know what happens.........someone insults my religion to me, for no reason??? WHAT DID I DO TO DESERVE SUCH INSULT ON MY PEOPLE AND MY RELIGION?? ALL I WANTED WAS UNITY!!!

You guys are very very ethnocentric and thats a shame. BLame ethnocentrism for all the world problems, not islam.

You guys started this insulting and bashing, not me!!!

Well brother, im really sorry that saddens you, wow finally i said one thing that saddens you guys. You have said millions of things that saddens me and makes me lose hope in this world filled with terrible unhospitable people like you and suraj and jalal. or if your all the same people, whatever.

Im sick of you insulting Afghan civilians that include women and children. women like me and children like my little brother, like my cousins. who apparently their blood is worthless like dogs, before a pakis blood or a hindus blood. Well shame on you for that kind of mentality, I dont belong in this blog because i dont have the same mentality.

I just want peace for all humanity, you guys keep going on separating people, ruining the world, and disregarding the life of children and women and innocent people all over the world who apparently are not worthy of your attention, but instead should be insulted because of the religion they follow.

To me a Hindu child, Muslim child, christian child, all are equally innocent and important, but to you hindu blood is above all, to jalal muslim blood is above all, and as long as you guys keep thinking like this, Our God or Gods will never be happy with us, and there will never be world peace so good luck with your hatred!!

A woman like me that cares about children and women of ever race, ethnicity and religion does not belong here.

Now, three people attacking one person is not fair, and im not strong enough for this, so good bye. I cant even say Khudah Hafiz or Salaam Alaykum or I will be insulted by you guys....sad and enough for me.


Good bye please!!

 
At 5:57 PM, Blogger Mayank said...

Feresta
You live in an advanced country. You have a mindset which every person in your religion should have. So I am not surprised if a muslim person like u writes such good about childern, friendship etc. What surprises me is that even people like you try to turn a blind eye towards the wrong in your religion. OK I am a hindu... so forget hinduism. But I dont see anyth wrong in Christianity, buddhism, etc. etc. But I do see someth absurd that makes me think that its not just extremists that should be blamed for where your religion stands vis-a-vis other religions.
For a start, I dont understand why your holy book just mentions KILL, PUNISH etc so often. A book that teaches its people to kill the non believer, that tells how to kill an animal(halal), a book that mentions that jehadis get 72 hoors. You people got good education but think of other people in your religion. such articles corrupts their mind and thats why we have ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS.
With time religions modernise. We abolished Sati, discontinued polygamy, empowered women. You still butcher lakhs of animals every year as a mark to appease your god. Surprisingly the holiest man- the priest does that. Your religion allows men to marry many times, it still recommends sharia law and woment to wear scarf/veil.

Moreover, Why only islam is fighting with all religions of the world? Why dont other religions fight with each other?
Instead of trying to defend your religion, its important that broadminded people like you amend your beliefs if not your holy book. Islam need to modernise with time at a greater pace. Only then can you be proud of your religion in real sense... and maybe then we may be proud of your religion too.

 
At 10:29 AM, Blogger Tariq said...

So wut are we fighting for.....Ohh I see...everybdy wants to say and admit that PAKISTAN is the best country....Ohh I know that......U dun need to mention that.....I know MashAllah Pakistan is the most beautiful and best country ever....
amit, Wajra, Suraj why dont you drink fresh COW pee, with fresh COW shit salad....this might open up ur eyes and u cud see the reality....becoz that is wut you have been doing and will continue to do...blame others ....cowards and wicked you are!!!....yeah why dun u eat rats runnig in ur mandars.....or why dun you ask ur stone Gods(which you have made with ur own hands and whom I cud come and kick on face and they wont be able to do anything.....u wud have to come and save them ....wut kinda God is this who needs its worshippers to save its ass....haha)...please let ur mom to make to COW shit breakfast and use Cow Pee instead of oil to make oumellete....Praise to cast system
Why dun u put melted glass in lower cast ears....or why dun u burn out sattis ....han...comon do that all and be proud of ur religion.....
Freshta....U said Pakis are brown so they are related to hindus.....I dunno which islam you follow.....Holy Prophet (PBUH) said;"No Arab is superior on Non-Arab, No white man is superior to Black man, No rich is superior to poor".....how cud u discrimate muslims from pakistan to muslims from afghanistan.....ahhh yeah...so shame on you forever.....
Shame on all who are ignorant and putting all blame on pakistan's shoulders.....
Musharaf in a recent interview has torn away west for forcing pakistan to train Mujahadeens and scarring pakistan to do all this mujahid related acts...and west have accepted all these blames...
Pakistan didnt do all this intentionally..it was forced everytime .....sometimes by putting gun on its head by america and sometimes scarin through indian attacks and terrorism in pakistan....
Pakistan is the biggest victim of all these western dirty games......U said pakistan was illegal...how cud u say...before english came muslims were ruling india...it was only muslims who needed freedom ...so I say muslims were on right to get a freedom....it was india who's creation is illegal......
If any of you give lame responses to what I said.....more shame on you....the more replies u submit on this blog the more shame on you.....until u get shame and wrath forever shown on ur forefaces......
shut up and stop blaming pakistan.....pakistan so small a country to call all this unrest in the world......and if u dun believe that.....do wutever u can do against pakistan.....
enuff of propaganda against pakistan.....shut ur pie holes people....its an easy formula uve learnt....all ur shortcomings...blame pakistan.....shut up all..enuff is enuff

 
At 4:20 PM, Blogger Jalal said...

Actually mayank your completely wrong.our book does not sayanyof that bs you jsut mentioned. unlikehindus we actually beleieve in our religion cause it makes sense. were not going to jsut change our religion. why would we beleive something isdivine of we could just change it at a whim. only islam is fighting? wtf are oyu talking about. hindus fightwith bhuddists and christians fight with jews. and most of all christians fight with christians.

 
At 4:53 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Mayank,

I appreciate that you are talking to me in a civil manner, thats actually very rare in this blog apparently.

However all you are going to do is bash islam and blame everything on it. Okay you keep doing that and believe what you want. But I know my truth, okay?

Everyone has their own truth, why should we impose our beliefs on other people. People are touched by a divine spirit in different ways and they choose to take different paths. but all the paths eventually lead to one truth.

So this is a waste of time for me, and Im not going to come here and listen to you guys say horrible things about one of the most important truths of my life and that is Islam. It is my religion and im tired of hearing all this, not only from you. from everyone.

You think i dont here this??? I hear it every day, so why are you telling me?? I really appreciate whatever you think you are trying to do to help me, but your not helping at all.

So please leave me alone with that. Take care. Peace

 
At 5:02 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Tariq,

Since when does muslims judge other muslims??

Did i say anything racist?? Where are you getting that? Did i say i hate a certain race or color??? NO I DIDNT, SO I DONT KNOW WHO YOU ARE TO ACCUSE ME OF THAT!!!

yeah im aware of what the Prophet (SAWS) said, so why dont you tell your pakistani people that, so they can stop torturing and mistreating their afghan brothers who are refugees in your country and are not welcome. What kind of muslim does that??? The Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) spoke against that, your right, so stop being a hypocrit and mistreating Afghan innocent muslim people who seek help in your country, instead they get abused and insulted!!!

Pakistan, a muslim country??? YEAH RIGHT!!!!!!!

Wheres the muslim "brotherhood" in your country? Wheres the "ummah" among your people? Where? Because Afghan people dont see that hospitality at all!!!

Dont speak of islam like you know anything about it. What kind of muslim comes randomly and insults other people?? What kind of muslim does that?

Okay then, leave me out of your little drama and dont insult me by making assumptions (which by the way, is also against islam).

Why dont you take your patriotism for pakistan and use that patriotism for Islam, why dont you take all that energy you use on your evil country, and instead use it for your blessed religion of Islam!!


Good luck with that!! GOOD BYE

KHUDAH HAFIZ

 
At 12:39 AM, Blogger Tariq said...

Freshta
You submitted two responses so......shame on you twice....
Firstly, You have a very weak memory....you said in one of ur post.....that pakistanis are brown looking and their on indian side.......but u wont remember that.....coz u just want to blame pakistan for everything.....
Secondaly, Pakistan is itself a third world country.....we are nt in a position to welcome billions of afghans .....its ur country and ur problem....just keep ur ass in ur country ...why do u wanna come to pakistan at first place....its nt our responsibility to billions of afghanis shelter...we didnt take any oath to do that ....OKKK....so tell ur Afghani brothers to please stay in ur afghanistan and please leave pakistan alone.....we dun have business in that....OKKKKK
If aghanistan is destroyed then its their own malfunction.....its ur fault its nt pakistan's fault and we will pay for ur mistakes.......u want peace in afghanistan......kick taliban out of ur country.....its afghanis that are coming to pakistan and ruining pakistan's image too.....shut upp ...just stop blaming pakistan please....its nt our fault that ur people are fighting....educate ur people so that they dun fight with each other....its nt pakistan's responsibility to come and maintain peace in afghanistan.....OKKK
Thirdly, u blame me of unislamic ways.....in one of ur previous post u said .....Islam was spread by force.....ur such an ignorant person to say that....u have no knowledge of muslim history.....so first straighten ur own beliefs then come and speak against islam and pakistan......enways shame on u....have a good one!!!

 
At 3:08 PM, Blogger Jalal said...

Fereshta, you make 0 sense. Pakistan isnt a Muslim country? Why was it created then. Stop crying about how Afghanis are treated. Its not our job Afghanistan can't defend itself. We out of the kindness of our hearts let afghanis take refuge. If USSR tried to invade us they'd get nuked in the ass. Why dont you learn your own history Instead of blaming us for your faulty country work on making it a liveable place.

 
At 5:35 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

I remember saying that. Again, how does that make me racist? Do you know what racist is defined as? You ignorant retard. You make no sense at all. Is that an argument? Is this what you call a debate??? Stupid.

Even more stupid for denying your own islamic history. Everyone knows Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan were all forced into islam. If you deny the truth your a horrible muslim. Im not denying the truth, I stand by the truth. Im not ashamed of it. Im glad we were forced into a beautiful religion. But you are ashamed, so shame on you for denying our islamic history, shame on you for denying truth, and shame on you for insulting your muslim brothers.

PAKISTAN IS THE ENGLAND OF MUSLIM NATIONS, A SHAME AND A DISGRACE TO ISLAMIC NATIONS WORLD WIDE!!!

GO BACK TO YOUR FATHER ENGLAND, THAT SUPPORTS YOUR ILLEGAL NATION ALONG WITH THE ILLEGAL NATION AS ISRAEL!!

PAKISTAN IS NO MORE LEGAL THAN ISRAEL IS!!! AND BOTH COUNTRIES ARE AN ENEMY OF ISLAM!!

If you want to insult my people and be ignorant like this, fine, keep fighting. Thats what you Pakis are best at, fighting like barbaric, animals.

 
At 5:38 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Jalal you lost all validity when you said that the taliban are farsi zaban. and your telling me to learn my history??

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAAHAHA

You are the most ignorant and pathetic excuse of a human being i have ever heard, so please do yourself a favor and dont even bother talking about things you are mentally dificient of, like: knowledge, history, civilization, humanity, etc. You have proven that you know nothing.

Please stop responding and embarrasing yourself. Good bye

 
At 8:00 PM, Blogger Tariq said...

Hey Freshta
You replied third time.....so that shows you are .....stubborn, ignorant, and infinite shame on you foeever....ever ever......shame on you ....
As I said, Afghanistan is not our responsibility...Afghanis are so ignorant that they cant say even a word of thanx to pakistan.....wen there own land is nt giving them shelter...pakistan is atleast giving them shelter...shame on ur mentality and shame on ur thinking......U want pakistan to make every afghan prime minister of pakistan ....han...wut do u want.....there are open opportunities for afghanis to work in pakistan and do wutever they want to do....but they choose to do smuggling, terrorism and gun selling......u people are even misleading our young generation by selling heroine in pakistan......

Talking about giving respect to Afghanis......wut do u expect pakistan to do for afghanis.....han...everbdy knows wut these civilized western countries do to immigrants....thats wut happens everywhere.......we cant make illetrate, wrong minded, cheaters afghanis .....land lords and ministers.....pakistan lets u come to pakistan...atleast be thankful to that....after that its the amount work u do and u get paid for that .......
Afghanistan share border with many other countries....who has opened its border for them ...tell me....

Pakistan wud be better off not to open its border for terrorist to come to its land.....coz pakistan dun even get a word of thanx for giving shelter to afghanis.....instead (afghanis sitting abroad doing nothing for their people)pakistan gets all critism for all this......
Shame on you and your thinking.....u cant even say a word of thanx to pakistan...instead just doing propaganda against it.....

I wud repeat if today ur country is in worst condition ....its all becoz of afghanis.....why did they let extremist to rule them ....why dun u educate ur people......PAKISTAN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.....PAKISTAN IS A SMALL COUNTRY WITH NOT EVEN ENUFF RESOURCES TO FEED ITS OWN PEOPLE.....WHERE ARE WE GOING TO FEED BILLIONS OF AFGHANIS....BUT STILL ITS PAKISTANS HOSPITALITY TO OPEN BORDER FOR AFGHANIS.......

U CANT SEE ANYTHING>>>>>U IGNORANT BASTARD....U DUN REPRESENT AFGNHANIS>>>>I KNOW MANY AFGHANIS>>>THEY THINK PAKISTAN IS ATLEAST PROVIDING SHELTER TO AFGHANIS WHEN NO OTHER IS DOING IT>>>>NT EVEN AFGHANI'S OWN LAND>>>>AND UR FATHER INDIA DOESNT GIVE U SHYT>>>>THEY JUST TALK TALK AND TALK>>>>

SHAME ON U>....I WUD NOT TALK TO U ABOUT ISLAM COZ U WILL COME UP WITH SOME STUPID ARGUMENT AGAIN TO PROVE UR LAME AND STUPID LOGIC....WHICH IS JUST OF UR OWN.....U DUN REPRESENT AFGHANIS....I HAVE MANY AFGHANI FRENDS AND THEY LUV TO HANG OUT WITH PAKIS>>>>COZ THEY ARE NT BLIND AS U>>>>THEY SEE THEY REALITY.....

SHAME ON YOU

 
At 8:06 PM, Blogger Tariq said...

ONE LAST THING.....U SAID PAKIS ARE BARBARIC ANIMALS......HUH!!!!!
U STUPID....THEY WHOLE WORLD KNOWS WHO ARE BARBARIC ANIMALS.....

U PEOPLE KILL EACH OTHER ON ONE APPLE....I VE BEEN TOLD THIS BY ONE OF MY AFGHANI FREND FRM KABUL CURRENTLY IN PAKISTAN...IF U WANT I CUD TELL HIM TO PROVE THAT HE SAID THAT AND I AM NT MAKING IT UP....

HAHAHAHA.....ANIMALS HAN......UR SUCH A DISGRACE.....UR PROLLY ONE OF THOSE ANIMALS URSELF FRM KABUL......

 
At 8:12 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Tariq, I know many more afghans then you, including those who have been to pakistan, and they say the complete opposite.Since the illegal creation of your country, every afghan has been miserable by your terrorism and they will never forget it, sorry, your little afghan friends are being nice to your face. Afghans hate pakis and for this very reason right here. Insulting our people and our country. Just because some refugees may be dependant on you, doesnt give you a right to treat them like dogs or slaves. does it? Well not according to Islam. Oh wait, you dont even know what that is.

Yeah you cant say anything about islam because you dont know anything about it, all you know is extremism like most typical pakis. Theyre either KUFFR OR EXTREMIST!! What an "islamic" "country".

BLA BLA BLA BLA to the rest of your argument. I dont care for your lying BS!!

 
At 6:07 AM, Blogger Tariq said...

Hey Freshta
You said:

"Afghans hate pakis".......(Wut A muslim u are.....hating other muslims....wut an example of brotherhood ur presenting.....wut an example of ummah ur setting......)

Its a one sided hatred Mr. ......Pakis dun hate afghanis......I know a lot more "Normal" afghanis then you do..........My frends include afghanis from afghanistan, pakistan, born canadian....and many more....I have never been told by any afghanis that they hate me becoz I am pakistani........

Its ur own thinking and I cant do anything about it..............I pretty much know things are not like you are explaining them on this forum. I dun blame you for that becoz u have been brainwashed like thousands of militants from ur country.......

I tried my best to explain things logically....u wont understand......keep on hating pakistan............. and "burn urself in that hatred" ( as Quran says....)...............

Shame on u forever
Bye

 
At 5:02 PM, Blogger Jalal said...

Tariq, dont waste your time. Fereshta is obviosuly EXTREEMLY misinformed and full of hatred. She is either
A) An Indian who is lying.
B) Part of the stupid northern alliance.
Fereshta please educate yourself before posting random bs on the internet. And most importantly learn about how Islam was really spread through peace and sufis.

 
At 3:38 AM, Blogger Tariq said...

Hey jalal
I dunno but I have a feeling that ur ryt she is some indian trying to be smart......as we know how cheap they can go in their stupid little games.......

 
At 4:59 PM, Blogger Mayank said...

Tariq/Jalal(read it as Jalil),
You guys may be right. Fereshta may not be a muslim atll.

How can a muslim talk about dying children that too of any religion? If an average muslim would have ever thought like her. world would have been peaceful.

And this lady talks about uniting different religions?? Muslim thinks their religion is superior to others and a thought of unity btw HINDU BUDDHIST JEWISH ANCESTRY can be there but muslims are the ones who fight with all of them.

Next she says that before ISLAM they were barbaric. We know that in muslim countries, still public execution exists, animal slaughter is enjoyed in public. Recently Pelestinians managed to kill 4 Israel COLLEGE STUDENTS and we saw them rejoicing in streets in celebrations. I have already written enough about animal abuse done by them. How more can one be barbaric? She forgot that she is representing herself as muslim.

And last and not the least she blames muslim extremists. Every muslim thinks that his religion is in danger(from ALLLLLL religions of this world) and hence extremism is necessary. Thats why 90% of muslims voted that they support the human genocide in 9/11 and UK bomb blasts.

So Feresta, pl reveal your true religion. In case you are among those 10% of people who hate voilence, you know what is actually expected from you... thru the comments of Tariq and Jalil

 
At 5:14 PM, Blogger Mayank said...

I dont understand what material are you pakis made up of. We cut out your hand in Bangladesh, we humiliated you in all the wars, still you theaten us by such useless comments about Pakis strength. In fact you created nuclear bomb just to make sure that if ever India decided to invade you, it can serve as a detterent.(check Bhuttos interview). I would not talk about political instabilities, coups, executions of PMs etc etc.
You require US aid to counter terrorism. But yeah yeah... pakistan is great. LOL

Regarding your religion, now when u have commented on our stone gods let me write sth. OK... we worship idols. scientifically you can question that. but shouldn't we question the existance of your allah? Has anyone seen him? er... is he a he or a her or somewhat in middle? And what about his messanger.. mohammad!! You pray someone who killed thousands to expand his influence, who married several women that were POW and who even was a child abuser.
The fundamental approach to a particular faith is to accept all other existing faiths and respect them. You people think that ur religion is superior and question all religions of this world. and why not... your own quran wants you not to befriend christen and jews.
Feresta,
Read Quran..
O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors (over the Muslims): They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust. [Qur'an 5:51]

That again proves you are not a muslim. A muslim should have read it by heart,.
Alaaas... Islam is a religion of peace(read it as pisssss)

 
At 9:56 PM, Blogger Jalal said...

Mayank, Im sorry but your a complete retard. You know Islam translates in Arabic is peace? We fight with Bhuddists? LOOOOOL when did this happen? When India murdered and killed and preformed a genocide of Bhuddists in India? We fought with Jews? Last time I checked Jews came and fought with us. Public execution exists in Saudi wow. Your not talking about the modern Muslim world. What naimals are you talking about your such a liar. OMG 4 Israelis died? Your comparign that to the thousands of Palestinians killed? is the extremists fault. Where the hell did you gt that figure? Oh right YOU MADEIT UP.Your a patholgoical liar. Just go back toyour cave and drinksome cow piss. Are Muslims the ones whotreat 250 million people like animals and call them outcastes? Do Muslims bun women when their husband dies? DoMuslims kill babygirls as soon as their born.And yetIslam is violent. Look inyour backyard Hinduism is the epitemy of evil. Humiliated in all the wars? LOOOOL.Whichone theone where wewon 1/3 of Kashmir or Kargil where we brought India to its knees and forced them to call for backups. You Indians are a joke. So you helped some stupid revolting Bengalis you call that victory thats nothing. And you actlike devloping a nucleur bomb is such an easy task. How many countries have 1? Its extremely difficult to develop 1. We requie US aid. More like US needs aid from us to clean upthe mess they made in Afghanistan. Look I dont know what religion your reffering to. It sure isnt Islam. Our religion is superior. Every religious group feels they are superior. Our religion doesnt want us to befriend Jews orChristians? Then explain what Dhimmi are. We call them people of the book laylotal-katab. Please educate yourself before youpost senseless lies.

 
At 9:56 PM, Blogger Jalal said...

Mayank, Im sorry but your a complete retard. You know Islam translates in Arabic is peace? We fight with Bhuddists? LOOOOOL when did this happen? When India murdered and killed and preformed a genocide of Bhuddists in India? We fought with Jews? Last time I checked Jews came and fought with us. Public execution exists in Saudi wow. Your not talking about the modern Muslim world. What naimals are you talking about your such a liar. OMG 4 Israelis died? Your comparign that to the thousands of Palestinians killed? is the extremists fault. Where the hell did you gt that figure? Oh right YOU MADEIT UP.Your a patholgoical liar. Just go back toyour cave and drinksome cow piss. Are Muslims the ones whotreat 250 million people like animals and call them outcastes? Do Muslims bun women when their husband dies? DoMuslims kill babygirls as soon as their born.And yetIslam is violent. Look inyour backyard Hinduism is the epitemy of evil. Humiliated in all the wars? LOOOOL.Whichone theone where wewon 1/3 of Kashmir or Kargil where we brought India to its knees and forced them to call for backups. You Indians are a joke. So you helped some stupid revolting Bengalis you call that victory thats nothing. And you actlike devloping a nucleur bomb is such an easy task. How many countries have 1? Its extremely difficult to develop 1. We requie US aid. More like US needs aid from us to clean upthe mess they made in Afghanistan. Look I dont know what religion your reffering to. It sure isnt Islam. Our religion is superior. Every religious group feels they are superior. Our religion doesnt want us to befriend Jews orChristians? Then explain what Dhimmi are. We call them people of the book laylotal-katab. Please educate yourself before youpost senseless lies.

 
At 10:04 PM, Blogger vajra_wallop said...

@jalal:

Tell me which region of the subcontinent your forefathers are from and which sect of Islam you belong to...

I will tell you which Muslim ruler raped your great great...grandmother.


ITS SO SAD TO SEE THE THE CHILDREN OF OUR HINDU BROTHERS AND SISTERS WHO WERE ENSLAVED BY THE KORAN..NOW BLOW OTHER PEOPLE UP FOR THE SAKE OF THE SAME KORAN.

 
At 9:52 AM, Blogger Jalal said...

Varja your an idiot.How are we slaves of the Quran we choose to follow it. You really want to know my info. My grandparents are Ansaris from Lucknow India. They are part of Farangi Mahal descendents of Abu Ayyub Ansari. Theywore never forced into anything.

 
At 10:18 AM, Blogger Mayank said...

This was what Jalil told once to Feresta

"Fereshta, you make 0 sense. Pakistan isnt a Muslim country? Why was it created then. Stop crying about how Afghanis are treated. Its not our job Afghanistan can't defend itself. We out of the kindness of our hearts let afghanis take refuge. If USSR tried to invade us they'd get nuked in the ass. Why dont you learn your own history Instead of blaming us for your faulty country work on making it a liveable place. "

Now he claims that he is an Indian from Lucknow. That proves what a big liar he is. All his lies about his pissful religion spread thru sufis and saints(ha ha ha) and about kind virtues of his religion have been proved lie.
Ironically he was calling Feresta an indian who has been lying. LOL

 
At 10:34 AM, Blogger vajra_wallop said...

@ Jalal

Why I call you a slave of Koran?

Because, for you a early mideaval document of hate, professing Arabic hegemony is more important than context, reason and logic.

Now that you "choose" to follow it, makes it even sadder, for you in particular and humanity in general.

Your grandparents were Anaris' from Luckhnow?...woww...so that makes u a Muhajir in Pakistan.

....Hmm

Do you know the meaning of the word "Ansari"?

In the South Asian context, which obviously applies to a Indian like you, Ansari was the nesbat (last name) given to those local Hindus (who after converting to Islam )acted as traitors in support of the invading islamic armies.

Many a times, they used to be local chieftans and jati leaders who would lose their infuence to the invading Muslims, and in order to save their lives and sphere of influence, would convert to Islam.

Then again, I dont blame you.

At the end of the day, you are just another victim of the Koran, as much as me, Mayank, my sister Ferishta and my brother Tariq are.

 
At 10:38 AM, Blogger vajra_wallop said...

@ Jalal:
And yes I am a Hindu and my name is Vajra (which means lightening in Sanskrit ....:)

 
At 11:10 AM, Blogger Tariq said...

QOUTE
This was what Jalil told once to Feresta

"Fereshta, you make 0 sense. Pakistan isnt a Muslim country? Why was it created then. Stop crying about how Afghanis are treated. Its not our job Afghanistan can't defend itself. We out of the kindness of our hearts let afghanis take refuge. If USSR tried to invade us they'd get nuked in the ass. Why dont you learn your own history Instead of blaming us for your faulty country work on making it a liveable place. "

Now he claims that he is an Indian from Lucknow. That proves what a big liar he is. All his lies about his pissful religion spread thru sufis and saints(ha ha ha) and about kind virtues of his religion have been proved lie.
Ironically he was calling Feresta an indian who has been lying. LOL

/QOUTE


Please read carefully what Jalal wrote....He said my forefathers are from india.......not he himself

Keeping even the religion aside....I guess uve got absolutely no common sense to interprate even the simplest of the things......ur just a dumbo, born in a loser family who's ultimate mission is to breed rats in their mandirs and calling muslims extremists.....

Wajra u said ......"this makes jalal a muahjir..."
keep on trying bitch to separate us from each other....the more u try the more pakis will be united.......Nobdy is pakistan calls anybdy else a muhajir.....except is he/she chooses to call it to them theirself.....
I've never seen jalal saying that he chooses to call himseld muhajir.....so ur just a cheap,low mentality(typical hindu mentality)......coward...who just play their stupid little game to get same people fighting with each other.....and have fun watching it....thats wut u peep did in karachi....and our karachi was so cool before 80's and now its all burnt out.......hindus are like snakes....they bite and if we dun protect ourself then they are good at it.....

Way to go Jalal...I really appreciate ur reply to Mayanak......he mite shut up after that.....atleast if he has some "sharam" in him....

Mayanak why do u think muslims abuse animals.....wut gave u right to say that.....if something is not allowed in ur religion(by the way its only ur religion that doesnt allow eating meat...)that doesnt make it wrong if someother religion followers do that....
as an example....go to youtube and see how jews follow the same procedure of eating meat....and see how christian are eating meat at larger scale.....

Shame on all of you(who are talking against pakistan and islam) forever and ever.....die in ur hatred...

 
At 1:43 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

This is just many of too many confirmations that Pakistan is ruining Afghanistan and that they are jealous of our relations with India.

You ignorant, blind, uneducated illiterate people who dont watch the news and dont care about whats going on in the rest of the world, here I made it as easy as i could for you:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/08/world/asia/08afghanistan.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin


READ FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE!!!


To the pakis in this forum: Guess what?? I just checked it out to make sure for you guys, but just to let you know, I talked to my imam and he told me great news that i can pass on to you guys, he told me:

EDUCATION IS NOT HARAAM!!!!

Yayyy so now you guys can go and open a book for the first time in your lifes. Hey u can start off by opening my article!!

So dont worry my dear brothers, according to the Quran you are not forbidden from seeking education. You guys dont have to act like animals anymore because of your interpretation of Islam. yayyyyyy now you can all learn!!


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/08/world/asia/08afghanistan.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin

 
At 1:43 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

This is the most recent news:


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/08/world/asia/08afghanistan.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin

 
At 4:01 PM, Blogger Tariq said...

Awww! everybdy look ....our intellectual,smart and intelligent brother has come up with such a authenticate and proven facts that it proves that pakistan is a cult.......hahahahaha
Your stupid and hopeless.........U come up with these kinda articles and try to prove ur point....u illeterate bastard........U know wut ur funny...ur really funny ....ur a just a joke.....
I would bring up thousands of these kinda articles and cuttings showing how indians and americans are tyring from last 20 years to destroy pakistan...and pakistan being weaker then both of these superpowers is still fighting thier hatred and might.......
In regards to education......pakistan have got thousands and thousands of big names in its history......
If u go through history u wud know...how india got help from canada to make their atomic energy plant but pakistan signle handedly made it themselves(when canada stopped training pakistani scientists due to indian blast...which was another cheap act by india and it worked for them...but they didnt know that pakistan has enuff balls to make it themselves...... ). Pakistan has got a history....from Noble prize holders to great sicnetist and peace awards....and language awards......U name it.....
Can u name some of afghanis with such acheivements....han ?
The world knows where is osama originally from...thats so stupid of u and all the stupid media to blame pakistan for these terrorist attacks ......pakistan is lately being the biggest victim of this extremisim and terrorism form across afghanistan and indian border.....
Shut ur pie hole...u little stinky shit....
Shame on u forever and ever and ever.....shame on all of u who blindly blame pakistan for all this wen u know that its all ur fault......shame on u

 
At 5:26 PM, Blogger Jalal said...

Fereshta I cant beleive you choose Kaffar and American devils over your own brothers. You beleive American newspapers. You know what else the US thinks? That Islam is evil. Indians think the same thing. Why dont you learn were on your side. The people who blwo themselves up are Afghanis. Afghanis are so UNGRATEFUL. Why did we let millions of refugees into Pakistan? Because were trying to help you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Instead of thaning us all you do is sit there and whine abotu how you were treated. How many of millions of Afghanis would be killed had we not let them in. Did India take your damn refugees? Your so ignorant. The Taliban are all Afghanis. Afghanis blwo themselves up because they have the weapons supplied by the US not Pakistan. It so sad how isntead of thanking you sister nation for the buillions of $ in aid it gives you and millions of refugees and all the damn schools it builds you choose Indain kaffar who only want to become allies with you to destroy us. What happens after were gone? your next. Pashtuns deserve to be together. The durrand line is useless.

 
At 2:44 AM, Blogger suraj said...

Hey Jalal

It was nice entertainment reading your post. A pile full of shit. India is known all over the world for indegeniously producing its own satelites, rockets , launch vehichles and missiles. What do you mean that we borrow from Canada? We only take uranium fuel and some cryogenic parts from other countries. Whereas your country's missiles are only at the begging you got from China and North Korea. How many Pakistani sattelites are there in space? What has your SUPRACO achived? NOTHING! Just shut the fuck up idiot. The problem in Pakistan is that every subject be history, science and politics is always deformed and mutated to suit the extremist islamic ideology and people like you (devout muslims) gulp it up just because your faithfullness to islam.

And wait aminute, Pakistan and NObel Prize? what? When did a proper Pakistani Muslim won a nobel prize? The first and last one was Abdus Salam who is an Ahmadiya, which your govt. declares to be a non-muslim?!!
http://www.thepersecution.org/50years/salam.html

So think twice before talking shit(although anyway you will be talking shit only as you are a perfect porki)

and mind you 90,000 of your Army men surrendered in front of our soldiers in Bangladesh like a herd of rabbits. Don't rage us, results would be fierce!

 
At 6:54 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Jalal and Tariq,

Please your just embarrasing yourself. oh so first your convinced Im indian and now your insulting me as an Afghan again??? Make up your mind, what the hell do you think I am? But to you guys it doesnt matter, you just love to insult both indians and Afghans.

Victims of stereotypes? What stereotypes? Until you Pakistani brothers, start acting like civilized humans, everyone will think of you guys as a subhuman ignorant arrogant cruel race of psycho's who justify all their hatred by using the name of Islam to do it!!!

Oh yes because Pakistani media is soooooo much more reliable right?? Thats very funny.

Pakistan is the newest and most unaccomplished muslim nation to ever unfortunately exist.

Shame on you for insulting Afghanistan, we have thousands of years of history of our own!! We kicked out almost every invader that took over our country, by ourselves, with our own hands!! You guys history is only indian and afghan, other than that you have shit. What is pakistan?? The terrorist creation of the british.

You should know by now, everything the british creates is shit. And the british created your shit of a country Pakistan!!!, and the british created the shit called Israel.

Pakistan, like israel: is merely the biggest symbol of british imperialism bull shit, that terrorizes the rest of the world!!!

 
At 7:15 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Okay everyone

I am not from the northenr alliance, nor do i support those bastards

I am not indian, and have no desi blood whatsoever.

I am Aryan from Afghanistan. Full blooded Afghan from the city of Kabul.

Sta na shukriya, Allah Paiman!!

Tashakur wa Khudah Hafiz!!

Shukran wa MaSalaama!!

Thank you and GOOD BYE!!

 
At 10:50 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Oh look here. More Pakistani suicide bombers in Afghanistan.

Pakistan ruining Afghanistan, brainwashing children to blow themselves up. Using the name of islam. Terrorism and deaths in Afg. all because of PAKIS!!


at 0:20 seconds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF8oxIA-htc


at 11:50

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mcre_C9xrZs&feature=user


at 0:44

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGRlaqe9eWM&feature=related


FINALLY THE TRUTH IS REVEALED

THE WORLD IS SEEING THE TRUTH!!!



ALLAHU AKBAR!!!

 
At 12:22 AM, Blogger suraj said...

Hey Fereshta

After all these anti Pakistan , anti Taliban postings, it comes to me as a surprise that you call northern alliance as bastards? Then with whom are you? who are left to recreate afghanistan.

And next, please don't say that Afghans have always warded off all the invaders. You yourself have accepted that Afghans were forced to Islam. Islamization of Afghanistan is a direct consequence of islamic invasion from middle east, persia, arabia

 
At 11:40 AM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Suraj....

Really you guys dont know anything about Afghan politics.

You think we either have to support the taliban or support the northern alliance??

Do you know there are millions of Afghans who are against both?? Do you know why?? Because both groups are warlords, uneducated, nationalistic, low class, disgusting killers!! All they do is support their own tribe, they dont care about the Afghan nation at all. Like all warlords, they dont care about killing a child or a family, as long as they get their money and they give their own tribe power.

Millions of Afghans despise both because of this.

Suraj please dont tell me that because the islamic invasion was not like all other invasions who had different goals.

Let me explain to you. The british, soviets, and greeks wanted to invade afghanistan for what? RESOURCES. TERRITORY. CONTROL

The arabs invaded afg for what? Conversion. thats it. they converted us and left. done. end of story.

the british, greeks, soviets, wanted to stay there forever, make it part of their empire and steal our resources and make us their slaves. That is incomparable to the arab invasion. Just incomparable.

Are you okay now? Does that answer your question brother? I hope it does.

PLease keep in mind, no matter how much you reply back to me insulting islam, its a waste of time for you. its a waste of time for me. its a waste of computer space and its a waste of life for both of us. So before you reply to me, i suggest you leave out all the islam=terror bullshit and have a mature conversation with me, okay?

:)

Thank you and Take care

 
At 8:45 AM, Blogger gutto786 said...

Finally the Tribes in NWFP are getting united to fight against the talibans (just becoz of hard & wise efforts from pakistani Army) and finish their evil impact on both sides of pakistan and afghanistan border.
Thats a good news and being pakistani or afghani we should rejoice at it.
If hopefully such kind of union occurs in baluchistan too then they taliban could be crushed totally.
This could bring peace and stability in pakistan and afghanistan and whole Area.....so soon we coud stop fighting with each other and start living in a brotherly envirnoment again.
Anyways that is just a hope and it has not happened yet..lets hope it happens soon.InshAllah

 
At 5:55 PM, Blogger Jalal said...

Varja u want proof Im not one of you cow worshipping Hindus? Ansaris were Arabs. Heres my proof.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firangi_Mahal

 
At 5:58 PM, Blogger Jalal said...

Fereshta its useless talking to you. You not an Afghan your an Indian. Stop lying. Afghanistan is in its condition because of its own misfortunes. you can make up a letter of excuses and mail it to me. It so sad how you love kaffar but hate your borthers.

 
At 10:19 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Jalal..


So let me get this straight.

You think I am an Indian Muslim now?

 
At 5:59 AM, Blogger sanyashi said...

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At 6:24 AM, Blogger sanyashi said...

Dear All, I must remind you that India has the largest Muslim population in the whole World. All the Muslims population in India are alone to handle and protect our nation. The problem of baluch is not a matter of religious identity but a sovereignty. We ask the people of Baluchistan to take the help of foreign nation on a diplomatic scale and urge the cause to form a secular, sovereign, democratic government. Bloodshed is not an answer unless some Big Laden Bomb some big nation and that nation lands to baluch to drive away the pakistani rats out of the holes.

--Sanyashi

 
At 3:51 AM, Blogger Prabhjyot Singh Madan said...

Hello People,
I am a 28 year old Sikh businessman from calcutta city In India and i found the dicussion here turning into a horrible debate.
Personally,I beleive all religions lead to God in their own ways. All religions were founded in different parts of the world under various circumstanaces under turbulent and peacefull times to make the ppl understand and explain the worldly phenomenon and human nature around themselves to the people facing it.The fear of the unknown lead to humans to beleive in God in the first place.Inherently, all humans are good.
But the problem arises when sanity is lost to stubborness and rigidity in beliefs, where a discussion becomes a debate and the purpose is lost to continue it like in the current dicussion in the forum. The purpose seems lost and a blame game seems to be going on.
I sincerely do beleive that all humans have genetically the same ancestor who migrated from africa around 50000 years ago, proven by the genographic project in national geographic and so all this talk about aryan and dravidian and caucasian etc falls pale into insignificance if spoken scientifically. In other way,
we all have red blood in our veins so if God did not differentiate with us and did not give us blood yelloo or purple blood who are we to discriminate.
People who profess that islam is a religion of peace, i would humbly ask them to go to www.faithfreedom.org and rebutt the allegations which has been put by ali sina in that site. He is a ex-muslim and very convincing in his approach against the islamic cult.
Again i say, I respect all peace loving religions but not cults.
If i have hurt someones feelngs, i am sorry but i cannot afford to be politically correct while world keeps it's eyes blindfolded to a potential disaster in the future that is nuclearized weapon state Iran.I don't them to have the pleasure of using the nukes or getting nuked and calling on their "last mahdi superstition" as their saviour at that time. millions of innocent human beings can die on all sides because of this medieval regime in Iran and their beliefs. It is dangerous.

Thank you,

Sat sri akal.

P.S Fareeshta, I would just like you answer one question if you don't mind because you have the power of resoning with you unlike some of the people here. "Why are nonmuslims not allowed to go to mecca and medina which is a holy place and belong to all humanity" ? who stops this and why ? :) think and try not to politically correct. Please visit www.faithfreedom.org

 
At 5:59 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Greetings Prabhjot and thank you for your response and I agree that this debate has gotten very bad. I appreciate your understanding and kindness. Now lets get to discussion. Please remember, you asked me what I believe. I must remind you that every muslim, in fact every believer christian, jew, hindu, sikh, every religion, every group of faith, each people in each group of faith have their own unique understanding of their faith. So it is not fair to assume that all muslims believe the same thing, one muslim does. And I am only one muslim, but since you asked me, I will simply tell you my view.


This is your question:

"Why are nonmuslims not allowed to go to mecca and medina which is a holy place and belong to all humanity" ? who stops this and why ?

This is my answer:

Because the Saudi government is run by an extremist backwards group of people who not only ban non muslims, but have tried to ban shias, ahmadis, and have banned bahais from entering mecca. Shias and ahmadis call themselves muslims, and they are muslims, with slightly different views. So tell me. If they dont even allow muslims, you think they would allow non muslims???

Show me a Surah from the Quran that specifically bans non muslims from entering Mecca?

Islam has nothing to do with the alienation and forbidding of non muslims to enter mecca, that is all the Saudi corrupt governments doing. That has nothing to do with Islam, the Prophet Muhammad (SAWS), or the Quran.


I hope that helped open your mind a little bit.


As far as that website goes. If someone looks at a normal painting, they may take out the negativity and the ugliness of it, or they may see the beauty in it. It doesnt matter how beautiful or ugly the painting really is, people will see what they want to see. You read a quote from the bible or quran, u might interpret it as hateful, cruel, horrible, other people might read it and see that it means peace, kindness, or there is a logical reason and story behind it.

Im tired of Muslims and non muslims, and frankly im just tired of any religious follower, any believer, who thinks that their holy text is so simple, they can read through it and understand everything about it. They have no idea, WE have no idea what the intention of God is, we dont know what the intention of the Prophets and messengers were, We dont know what the intention of these holy texts are. We know nothing, and yet we assume we know exactly what something means. Something as complicated as a thousand year old holy book, or holy scriptures even older than that. The torah, the bible. watever. They are all one thing. They are all a sign that there is a higher existence, beyond our understanding.

If you look at something, If you read something with a pure heart, you will only find pureness in what you read.

Those who are corrupt, will misuse it, or will misuse their freedom, their talents to corrupt and destruct other societies.

Humanity essentially can live in peace if they realized one thing: There is only one truth, but that doesnt mean there is only one path that leads to that truth. This truth is so infinite, that it must have infinite paths.

So if we all belong to that one truth, why should we torture each other because we are taking different paths. The road may be different, but the destination is the same.


Okay, Ive said enough. Good bye.

 
At 2:42 PM, Blogger gutto786 said...

Freshta ......are u an ahmadi or Shia?
Prabhjyot Singh Madan its for u:
well as far as the question that why non muslims are not allowed to enter Kabba ....the answer is simple......
If u hate islam and muslims why do u wanna go to kabba at first place han?
It only means that you wanna go their with an evil intention and with some bad purpose....thats it GOD saves its own place.......so GOD made these arrangements so that people like u who hate islam cant go inside Kabba......doesnt matter it is through the corrupt saudi govt. or through anybdy else......I wont say Saudi govt. is corrupt or something.....I dunno wut is the thinking behind their stratregy .....and I dun take liberation like freshta to accuse anybdy so often.....so I dun say Saudi govt. is corrupt or something.....they might be.....
But to be honest with u I believe its GOD who is making arrangements to keep away haters like u from his holy place......
and Logically why dun u allow pakistanis to enter India......han ......becoz u wanna protect ur land ....u wanna take precautions to protect ur place.....thats wut muslims are doing ......so if u allow others to enter ur Mandirs it doesnt mean and its not necessary that muslim shud do that too......if u think it is wrong then ur actually looking at the picture from ur prespective......and I dun think there is enthing wrong in that....
Enways I still have few of my frendz who are nt muslims and were allowed to enter and see the holy place .....I dunno how they got it but Iam sure they were trying with good intentions and GOD allowed them to see the kabba.......so haters like wud never be able to see kabba ....
So keep on burning urself with hate and anger u have in ur heart....u cant change anything...if islam was so evil.....do u think half the world is stupid to be muslim......u think only ur smart who realized islam is evil......no matter how much u think ur smart, in reality ur stupid
bring something solid against islam.....I cud say much about sikhism too but Islam teaches respcting other people feelings and religion ....so I wont say anything against ur religion......But I know u wont learn and u will keep on doing this mission against islam

ByE

 
At 7:21 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Gutto...I am a Muslim, 90% of the worlds muslim population is Sunni.I am from Afghanistan, a country that is 85% Sunni. I am from the Pashtun tribe, a tribe that is 99.9999999% Sunni. What do you think is likely? What is the probability? I come from a long lineage of Sunnis. I am a full blooded Sunni, follower of the Sunnat!

Hope that answers your question.

 
At 7:41 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Gutto, brother. let me tell you what my strategy behind that kind of thinking is. Its simple

This is my strategy:

EDUCATION!!!


You know its my observation that Pakistani people are always defending the Saudi government for all the corruption they are commiting and thats a shame. No other country defends this corrupt govt. No muslim country defends saudi arabia, except pakistan apparently. Do u know why Muslim people hate Saudi govt?

Did Saudi tell its ally America to stop bombing Iraq?? Did the Saudi government give any help or aid to the palestinians when they lost their land?? Did the Saudi govt help Lebanon when it was being bombed by Israel?

You know, most of the hardworkers in Saudi Arabia are from Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Bangladesh, India, and Indonesia... ALL NON ARAB MUSLIM NATIONS!! And how do they treat those migrants?? Like trash.

The Saudi royal family sit in their golden chairs, eating with golden forks, drinking in a golden cup, while Muslim children in Indonesia are being sold as slaves, while Muslim men in Iraq are being tortured, while Muslim women in Sudan are being raped. While muslim countries are suffering and dying, the Saudi government is making ceremonies and celebrations to invite Bush and the white house and to give him everything he wants, and to support him killing muslims all over the world.


How could a muslim defend that kind of government? How???

 
At 8:46 PM, Blogger gutto786 said...

Freshta it looks like u hate the whole world except Afghanistan.......
As Ive already said Iam not that kinda person.......I wont put the blame of my own mistakes on others....Iam sorry brother will all due respect I dun agree to ur lame reasons of hating Saudi Arabia........
I have never said Arabs are great or even they are true muslims......I knw Arabs are far from what they were famous for during the golden Islamic period....but I wont still blame them for a rape in Sudan or a war in Iraq....
In todays world where every country has to look for its survival....Arabs are being rewarded with OIL as a gift from GOD due to Hazrat Abrahim and Hazrat Mohammed(PBUH) prayers and they are enjoying the wealth....Its their luk brother.....Its Afghanistan's and pakistan's and sudans bad luk that we dun have anything like OIL or even if we have them then we didnt get proper leaders to make use of it......simple is that....
It all comes to one thing......stop blaming others for ur own mistakes....be a man....Be brave enuff to except that ur problems are due to GODS will and then ur own wrong doings.....
As far as Arabs helping others are concerned.......U know nothing of history thats why u say so......
In 1949......wen International court of justice was still unmature and was working to free off all the lands under the British and French rule......It was Embassadors from Saudi Arabia and from Egypt and from Pakistan who helped to win freedom for almost 12 muslim countries......Many countries near Africa like namibia and syria and then countries......were freed due to efforts from Ambassadors from Egypt and Saudi Arabia and Pakistan......U knw nothing on history brother......I have read the history and if u want I cud send u the book which shows how these countries which were weak themselves worked day and night to save many of the muslims brothers.....I still remember one time the ambassador from Egypt and pakistan and Saudi Arabia didnt sleep for 4 consecutive days and made their speeches for INternational court of justice and finally four muslim countries at that despite strong opposition from America and England were freed......and the history even said that these ambassadors were able to get support from India who wasnt very frendly with many muslim countries at that time......
I cud send u the refrence and book if u want ......
enways go and read it on google.....The Arabs have done enuff for muslims......and in todays world nobdy is brother of anybdy else...even though its against teachings of islam.....its true....U cant survive.....If arab dont support American war they will be bombed by America......thats wut Ameirca threaten pakistan too ....Bush told Mushraf that either u support us or we will bomb u to stone age....wut do u expect the arabs and pakis to do in this case.....today is a time wen we have to strategic and secret plannings rather then open jihads......Iam sure still Saudi arabia is supporting many muslims countries under the table.....but they cant do it openly its against their own soveriegnity.....
One more thing........Stop accusing pakistan of all the worng things.....first u wer accusing pakistan for terrorism and now supporting arabs.......do u think pakistan is the root of all evils to muslim world.....U cut wut u sow brother......Afghanistan is paying for wut they did earlier.....Iraq is paying for saddams actions....sadam was an evil everyone knows that.......
Iran is secretly supporting India big time against pakistan.......and its open but nobdy accuse iran for going against pakistan.........wut u think of that.......

 
At 8:55 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

I have no problems with Arabs. I love Egypt and they have done alot to help other muslims . I respect alot of the arab nations. My only problem is with The Saudi and Pakistani government and ignorant people. Otherwise I have no problem with you or your people or saudi people, I also have a problem with the US government. That doesnt mean i have a problem with American people. Do u understand that? There are good pakistanis, americans, and arabs out there, thas why im not saying anything about the people. Im talking about the government and ignorant people.

And as far as that being a lame excuse, I think your attituded and ignorance is the only thing thats lame brother.

Okay so your saying Iraqi children deserve to die because of what sadaam did? And u are saying Afghan people deserve to die because they did what? Im sorry, what did they do? Oh yeah. NOTHING. If u look at it that way, I could say Pakistan deserves that earthquake because of what they do? But i wont look at it like that, I look at it this way. Humanity is in trouble, people are suffering all over the world, and it is wrong of us to only care about our own people, we should try to help all of humanity, We are human beings before we are Arab, paki, afghani or indian. Okay


Salaam


And im a Sister btw.

Salaam

 
At 10:45 PM, Blogger Prabhjyot Singh Madan said...

Hello Gutto786,
How are you ? firstly, what made you think i have purely bad intention when i said i want to go to mecca. It might help non-muslims admit their ignorance if they are peacefully allowed there to see it after all God is for everyone.It only help enforce the idea that the muslims have divided the world into house of war and house of islam.If you know what i mean. In the golden temple in amritsar, People from all religion are allowed there because that is a true concept of allowing humanity into the house of God. Secondly, just because a lot of people have fallen for this cult does not mean it is good. Before gallileo proved that the world was round, the world thought it was flat, does it mean as a rule of majority that they were right just because they had the majority with them. I think not and it was eventually proven false. Thank you.

Sat sri akal.

 
At 11:22 PM, Blogger Mayank said...

feresta,
I do not believe there is any end to the arguement here. However, I doubt you being a muslim. There are lot of things that proves you are not
A true muslim never cares ab other religions and belief. Even though he never saw his allah, he always thinks that it and only it exists. He thinks that other faiths are farce
A true muslim never opposes another muslim like you do
A true muslim never talks about coexistance. He thinks that all other religions of this world has no other work but destroy their
Great religion'
Muslim thinks that allah is everything and is least concern about the life or death of anyone if its in allah's cause. In fact they encourage anyone dying for allah and killing for jihad

So dear sister, you can be a christian missionary, or a hindu but certainly not a muslim.

Its the fact that todays muslim is fighting with every religion of this world. Killing innocent people, women, children and yet declares itself theatened and on other side peaceful. lol

 
At 11:51 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Mayank..jaanam.

Im sorry you think this way and i appreciate your kindness and I dont blame you for thinking this way because the world is exposed to the dark and misunderstood side of islam. Please remember there are many types of christians, muslims, hindus. some good some bad, some open minded, some not. Some who are killers, some who are givers.

I am a muslim, born and raised. Always was and always will be, and yes there are bad and misguided muslims out there. only Allah knows what I am and I call myself a Muslim, because that is my belief and my belief brings me peace.

Thank you and take care dear.

 
At 1:34 AM, Blogger Saeed said...

Well, reading a lot of the comments here I'm totally lost. All of you have turned to another way from the main topic "Solution for a free Baluchistan"!! Mainly the Idea is not a bad one to me. The main point is to get freedom, and everything thing would be right in War and Love.
By the way, I'm totally in agreement with Madam Fareshta that Pakistan has destroyed Afghanistan as a whole nation. Pakistan is the responsible for Afghani situation and they are still doing the same thing right now.

 
At 8:44 AM, Blogger gutto786 said...

pakistan destroyed afghanistan.....pakistan is bad....muslims are ignorant.....blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.....
thats my answer......blah blah blah blah blah blah
Saeed u agree with freshta coz its a "she"....
Madan who cares what sikhs have to say about islam......how many are u .....ur comments doesnt even matter to muslims......ur comment is like a joke to us.....so keep on with the good work......I dun really care that u allow people in ur temples.....muslims have no obligation to let other people into kaaba and I dun see it as an offence to any bdy .....
Mayank.....As I said before islam atleast teaches to respect other people religion and feelings which unfortunately bay far is missing in hindus.......and we all know how beautiful and amazing it is to get a bath in Cow piss and have rats running around in our prayer places....u and ur religion both are awesome
Freshta.....one more thing I guess u completely ignored the part of my respnse where I said muslim embassadors from Egypt and Saudi Arabia and pakistan.....u just selected Egypt from it coz u like egypt......Now who's ignorant here......
Anyways I dun think I need to clear it up coz u people are here just to accuse pakistan and cover up all ur wrong doings.....

and No freshta Iraqi children dun deserve to die......people in afghanistan dun deserve to die.....but u open ur doors at night and somebdy comes and kills u at night u dun hold responsible ur neighbours for that......it was due to ur own mistake of letting the killer in ur house.......

In this time of hardship for pakistan is ur great afghanistan coming to help pakistan ......no nobdy is coming to help pakistan.....coz everybdy looks for its own benefits.......afghanistan is on the other hand declaring a war against pakistan..........so u guys and everybdy else is the same.........we all have right to think of our security first and it doesnt make us culprit.......Russian war was afghnistan's own war.....american war is afghanistan's own war......America raided u people becoz u people first went there and did 911.......pakistan has nothing to do with it.......its not pakistan's fault....its ur own fault....its not pakistans fault that iraqi children are dying......there are thousands dying in pakistan nobdy says anything about that.....
so try to look inside ur own self before accusing others......
For all indians and islam haters.........keep on the good work...nobdy cares about wut u have to say...HUH!!!!

 
At 2:12 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Saed brother. Thank you very much. Im glad to see some people are actually educated and know what is going on in the world.


For Gutto"786":

Why are you freaking out? You need to calm down and you are overreacting. And what kind of backwards double standard view is that, that someone has to agree with me just because im a female. That is a weak statement brother.

Please dont make muslims look bad by insulting sikhs, they are our brothers, okay? Have respect. You are representing your religion, we have to remember that people are only focusing on us as muslims, not as humans, if we do something even a little bad, they will blame islam, but if a christian does something very bad, they ignore it and dont blame christianity. Unfortunately thats the world we live in today, so every muslim, including me and you have to be careful and respectful, so people dont blame our Prophet or our religion. Im say this to you from muslim to muslim, not from girl to boy, not from afghan to pakistani, but from one Muslim to another Muslim.

Listen buddy, dear friend..... how many times does it have to say on the news. How many times do people have to tell you that AFGHANS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11. AFGHANS DID NOT DO TERRORISM.

17 out of the 24 terrorists were Saudi, the rest were from Egypt, Jordan and Libya. They were all ARABS, not Afghan!!

Do you read newspapers? Is Osama Bin Laden Afghan? Even his name is Arabi, he was the Prince of the Yemen royal family.

Howcome u say "U people did 9/11"....

My people have no food or water, most of them have no legs!!! And you are blaming that huge conspiracy on us when we had nothing to do with it and that is a proven fact, go look it up yourself. None of the terrorists were Afghan. No one in Al Qaeda is Afghan, do your research! Al Qaeda is an arabi word, constructed by Arab extremists.

But there are good arabs out there, like there are good of every people. I did not just pick egypt because i liked it. I was saying i love the egyptian government because they take good care of their people. Some islamic nations have good leaders, some dont. Thats all im saying.

Actually I know all about the situation in Pakistan because I pay attention, i research, i watch the news and im very sorry for whats happening in your country. No one deserves to suffer from war. No one. Right now most muslim nations are under attack, all we can do is pray that inshAllah things will get better.

Hope for the best.

Salaam

 
At 3:51 PM, Blogger gutto786 said...

Hey Freshta......Now that you have atleast shown some respect for pakistan......I wud say sorry for anything if Ive said anything wrong.........Well things are going worst for pakistan and all the muslim world but as Quran says in the end islam has to win and I strongly believe in that and I have no doubt in that so I dun care about anybdy who alleges islam......
Anyways Freshta .....I wud tell u a secret.......I have been living with non muslims over a period of more then 10 years......I have christian,Hindus,Sikhs,Jews frendz at skool and in my community in toronto......I swear to GOD if somebody wants to talk to me about islam respectfully and wants to do discussion about islam I wud most respectfully welcome them........
But if an ignorant, Illeterate, hater wud just come to me and show disrespect to islam and our prophet(PBUH) I swear to GOD I wud never show respect to him.........I wud never respect anybdy who talks crap about islam and says islam is a cult......becoz, believe me Iam saying that by experience, these kinda people donot talk about islam becoz they want to understand islam they talk about islam to accuse islam and to show their hatred about islam......so they shud be told that they cant do that to islam......
Simple rule those who wanna talk about islam and then show respect to islam then I will respect them..... but those who disrespect islam I wud never call them my frend and I wud never show
respect to them.....

The problem in todays world my dear sister is that..........people dun understand that Luv for religion and luv for GOD shud be far beyond the materialistic luvs......In todays world people call muslims extremist becoz muslims take their religion too much seriously and they shud.....becoz Religion is far beyond anything.......those who have adopted religion as fashion....like todays christian, hindus and many others....they dun udnerstand that luv of islam in muslims heart and they think of it as extremism......
So due to their lakc of knowledge we shudnt stop practicing wut is ryt.....So dun worry about these people....those who talk bad about islam deserve to be dealt this way....
having said that its always ur wish how u deal with them....Iam not saying that u or any other muslim shud forcefully follow that way....If u feel like u go ahead and give them respect......I respect ur thinking....but I wud never give such people respect.....coz I cud forgive someone who disrespects me but I cant forgive anybdy who disrespects our Prophet and our religion.....
I hope u do understand what I said and try to overlook my ways of treating these people....

By the way one more secret....Iam from a mixed background.....My father was born and raised in afghanistan and he came to pakistan wen he was 16.....and my mothers father came from Iran to pakistan and my mother was born in pakistan......So I have an iranian and afghani blood running in me......But I was born and raised in pakistan.....so I consider myself a pakistani......Many of my uncles are still in afghanistan and Iran......and I knw many people all over the place......so dun consider me as an ignorant....I have total sympathies with Afghanistan and Iam sorry for all the loss afghanistan is having ......But I cant stand if anybdy shows disrespect for my country....its just the same way u feel for afghanistan.....so no heart feelings my dear sister

Khuda Hafiz

 
At 9:00 PM, Blogger Mayank said...

Dear Gutto....I laugh at your fame of taking your religion so seriously. People like you keep religion before humanity and then want that their religion be respected. At one side you laugh at hindus considering cows sacred and on other side you are ready to attack anyone defaming your 'great' religion. Thats where all problem is. An average muslim thinks that his religion is so superior that it deserves respect from all and is not bound to show any respect and understanding for others. If an educated person like you has such a view, imagine those who are taught in madrasas. They are the ones that keep their religion and god before humanity. They are the ones who can kill a 2 year old to a 80 yr old for the sake of the honour of their religion.
Take another example... all through this discussion, you wd have attacked hindus christians on their faith.
Religion for us is not a fashion but an outlook. Religions accross the world coexist peacefully because they have something which many people like you dont possess.... TOLERANCE
And remember one thing, if god is the creator then he would never like them to be killed even if its to protect its honour.

 
At 9:29 PM, Blogger Mayank said...

TOLERANCE CONTD...I have two real world examples
A well known bollywood star Salman Khan prayed lord Ganesh (hindu god) recently. He was condemn by his community and a fatwa was raised for performing idol worship.
http://www.zeenews.com/articles.asp?aid=396173&sid=ENT&ssid=1
Another muslim man bought prasad at Durga(hindu goddess) festival and was thrown out of his community.
However hundreds of hindu celebrity visit dargahs of muslims, christians visit them too.I also prayed in churches as I studied in a missionary school where we only worshipped 'god'.
So do you call my religion as fashion? Actually my upbringing and to some extent my religion permits me to see god in as many forms as possible. We bow our heads for jesus, allah and guru nanak and we are not stopped by our religion. We dont and cant kill anyone for our religion. Ofcourse bad hindus exists. Babri masjid in India was destroyed and we saw thousands of civilians killed as revenge by extremists. During same time hundreds of temples were destroyed in Pakistan and Bangladesh,
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE2DD113BF93BA35751C1A964958260&sec=&spon=
how many did the hindu extremists kill in revenge?.

 
At 4:11 AM, Blogger Prabhjyot Singh Madan said...

Hello Gutto786,
How are you ? Firstly, what is the point in being so immature with your outburst. A rational person never looses his cool.If he looses it then the other person knows he has a point and he has delivered it.

Secondly, if Saaed and fareshta are coming to a agreement then why are to degrading it into a male female gender issue. A woman is equal to any man and God says so. So it was a very poor comment from your side and makes me wonder what mindset you have about women.

Thirdly, Sikhism is the 5th largest organized religion in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups
But forget that.Even if we are in the minority does it mean we can be ignored for our views. We allow people in our temple and you don't and you don't even care about it. That is the issue, you don't want to mix with us , respect our views and expect tolerance. Tolerance is a 2 way traffic. You give and you get.Nobody can clap in with one hand. Then you say, why muslims are misunderstood.
Fourth, It is very easy to sit in canada and express your views from there.Please shift over to saudi arabi and other islamic paradise like iran etc and see what kind of society they have there and freedom of speech.
The realities is that I also want a stable pakistan because they are handling the talibans for us Indians and our borders are relatively secure from them.Once taliban wins in pakistan it will be tough for India.Pakistan serves as a buffer between the extremist alqaida, taliban etc for India.

I also agree with what mayank said and i am in full agreement with him. Thank you Fareeshta for your comment and trying to make Gutto see reason regarding sikhs.We have hymns of baba farid shakargarh in our holy book who was a "pir" in Punjab province so i have reverence for a muslim saint like him.


Thank you,

Sat sri akal

 
At 10:39 AM, Blogger gutto786 said...

Mayank.....Now lets get the facts cleared....
OK just few questions....
1)Who started accusing Others religion first....go through the debate and you will see that....Mr.Smart ass(its a fact u guys do everything and then try to show urself as very innocent and tolerant people)

2)Parabhjot madan In ur first comment over here u said .....Islam is a cult...did I ever talked about ur religion before that.....I dun even care that sikhism exist in this world I dun have to do anything with sikhism.....I dun have anything against or with sikhism....but u started disrespecting islam...han
U think ur smart and everyone else is stupid....

Thats wut tolerance is I didnt utter a single word for ur religion before u claimed my religion is a cult......Now cud u please tell me who is disrespecting first......thats the point I mentioned in my previous response......I wud give u respect as long as I get it from u.....Once u cross the border u will get it ryt on ur face......coz being a muslim is not a sin that we get accusitions from others and still keep quite.....we dun need to do that.....U show disrespect u get it ryt at the spot.....easy formula.....

And dun talk about tolerance....we see how tolerant ur hindu society in India is .......all the world knws about that....

Last thing.....where in my response have I ever said that we shud go and kill the people who talk against islam....I didnt say that once.....SEE THATS THE PROBLEM BUDDY.....U SUPPOSE THAT BY LOVING THEIR RELIGION MUSLIMS MEAN THAT THEY WANT TO KILL EVERYBDY WHO IS AGAINST THEIR RELIGION......

U cud go ahead and suppose anything u want......I didnt say it and no educated mulsim wud ever want to kill any innocent becoz he or she talks against islam.........Its not that muslims are extremist ....its a fault on ur understanding or ur wish to potray muslims as extremism......

I just said ....I keep my religion above everything......I didnt say I wud go kill anybdy for religion or I dun care about humanity......becoz ur understanding is weak and ur mind is a little slow.....lemme just summarize wut I said before....

Being a mulsim I keep my faith as the biggest priority of my life.....I wudnt respect anybdy who doesnt respect my religion and prophet......I wudnt start disrespecting anybdy's religion unless they start to disrespect mine...once they do it in my view they dun deserve my respect.....and please read it carefully I didnt use the world kill or above humanity......OK
satisfied......

Talking about tolerance and respecting others wen u dun even knw the meaning of these words.....
Now please stop "Laughing":) at me coz u shud laugh at urself first

 
At 10:54 AM, Blogger gutto786 said...

one more thing......Madan u dun need to tell me wut to say ....I have already said sorry to freshta and its none of ur business......

Mayank.....I wud give u a small example.....
If in a hard course at skool most of the class fails....how stupid somebdy wud be to say that the course book for that course was not right ........its not the course book which is wrong.....its the students fault that they dun study and practice accordingly to pass the course....

So if in todays world some uneducated muslims are doing worng things that doesnt make islam a cult......its not the fault of islam or quran .....its those illeterate and uneducated extremist muslims fault.....So dun say islam is a cult .....I wud agree if u say some extremist muslims are culprtis.....
I hope u see my point.....

Secondaly, If hindus go to muslims dargahs and mandirs.....that doesnt mean muslims shud do that too.....where does it say that muslims have to copy what hindus are doing.....we have got our own views......Remember no educated muslims wud say that Hindusism is a cult......but every human being has the right to decide wether he or she wanna go to a mandir or not......So who is using force here......Ur using force and saying muslims shud come to mandirs.....
Lastly if somebdy kicked some muslim outta community coz he got something from a mandir I wud disagree with that....and I wud say he shudnt be kicked out of the community and whoever muslim did that is wrong and knws nothing about true islamic teachings

True islamic teachings are as an example set by Prophet(PBUH) in his life......where he allowed some jews and christian and soem fire worshippers to pray in Masjid nabavi......and prophet said we will protect them while they are praying and we will let them pray according to there ways......in the mosque...

Thats true islam....not the one which today's illeterate jihadis show or which u guys wanna potray and show to world......

 
At 7:00 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Prabhjyot, Mayank, Saeed, Gutto


All of you thank you guys for your kindness and speaking nicely to me. I really appreciate it.

I really think this argument has gotten way out of control. No matter how much we debate or argue, we know that we are not going to be able to convert the other person or make them see our way if they dont want to see it. We were all raised in our own beliefs. Some of us evolved into different believes. It doesnt matter. The point is that the bechara person who made this blog to get insight and solutions, is not getting them. Instead he/she is getting crazy arguments from each person insulting the others religion. I think thats enough. This needs to stop, lets please move this conversation another way and start actually talking about how Balochistan can become a free nation. If you are against it, then state why your against it. But for the love of peace, lets please focus on this issue and disregard our personal beliefs, because they are personal.

WHEN WE DIE, WE WILL ALL SEE WHAT HAPPENS! FOR THE SHORT TIME THAT WE ARE ALIVE, LETS RESPECT EACH OTHER AND TALK LIKE THE CIVILIZED HUMAN BEINGS WE ARE!

Okay, bless you all and all your families. Bless humanity, now lets become good friends and discuss this issue academically and maturely.

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At 9:10 AM, Blogger gutto786 said...

I agree.......
Anyways following are the major concerns regarding freedom of baluchistan

Favour,
1)Baloch people are naturally an independant nation. During the last couple of 100 years we saw that nobody was able to enslave baloch people. Because Baloch people have their own civilization and Identity.
2)The way balochistans progress has stopped is very sad. One might wonder if balochistan be given back to the nationalist may balochistan evovle again as a progressed and prosperous country.

Against,
3)Iam a pakistani I dont want my country to disintegrate into several different parts.
4)Due to the strategic situation balochistan shares border with South Warizstan.....once balochistan will be free and out of pakistan's rit they might end up getting taken over by those extremist taliban which will destabilize the whole area and would increase the terrorist danger not only for balochistan itself but for iran india and pakistan too.
5)What right do balochi people have to claim independence when other nations are living together as pakistan. I mean what special rights balochi people have that they want independence from pakistan. What makes them so special that they should be given independence.
As an example, in USA,canada,india there are many different groups of people from different bakground living together. Should they all be given independence.
6)Balochistan right now is not as responsible to become a separate country. Iam not sure if they would be able to uphold that responsibility to run their own country
7)Many respectable and great balochi lords died during the recent time of voilence. Now balochi internal system or "jarga" in my view is not as strong and reliable as to run the whole country.
8)Last but not least, I dont think pakistan would ever let balochistan to be separate. Thats my own view and I dont expect all to agree to that

 
At 3:28 PM, Blogger Kronik said...

I am a proud Pakistani and I love my country. Considering the current situation I believe it's better that Balochistan and other NWFP be given its freedom and Pakistan of whatever is left after the disintegration, be left alone by everyone and anyone. After the disintegration of Pakistan, the new Pakistan should have a freindly and amicable relationship with India and the new contries and everyone should live peacefully. All of us could create a new south asian zone with similar currency and become a power to reckon with. India could take the lead as it is the current superpower in the region. All this I hope would stop the unneccesary bloodshed in the name of religion and land. Inshallah!

 
At 11:17 AM, Blogger ravi said...

THE COMMENTS OF THE MANY PAKISTANI BLOGGERS ARE AN ABSOLUTE DELIGHT!THANK ALLAH THAT JINNAH CREATED PAKI'S STAN THE LAND OF THE PURE AND WE INDIANS WERE ABLE TO GET RID OFF IN ONE STROKE MOST OF SUCH IGNORANT TRASH.OTHERWISE SUCH PEOPLE WOULD HAVE DRAGGED US DOWN THE DRAIN ALONG WITH THEM. HAIL JINNAH!THE GREATEST EVER!

 
At 4:38 PM, Blogger gutto786 said...

I agree ravi ...we shud HAIL jinnah.....He got rid of trash by creating a trashfree Land for muslims which they call pakistan
Its a achievement really
Stick to the topic though....Topic is freedom for baluchistan

 
At 12:30 AM, Blogger ravi said...

gutto786, don't worry,Baluchistan will soon be a reality.Recently there was a very high level (Intillegence) meeting of Indian ,Russian and Israeli officials in Russia to work out a strategy to break uo Pakistan.Punjabi Pakistani goose is cooked.Remember all our enemy is not Islam per se but the Punjabi Pakistani mafia.

 
At 1:19 AM, Blogger suraj said...

To Ravi
Recently there was a very high level (Intillegence) meeting of Indian ,Russian and Israeli officials in Russia to work out a strategy to break uo Pakistan.

wherefrom did you get this news?

 
At 2:19 PM, Blogger ravi said...

Suraj I cannot reveal my source but it has come from an extremely reliable source. I think we should leave it at that.

 
At 4:45 PM, Blogger gutto786 said...

Ravi Iam just trying to respect the request made to all the people on this forum to be peaceful and friednly with each other. I dont understand why there is so much hate for pakistan in india. Blinded by this hate the indians start accusing islam and muslims as whole calling them cult and what not.
For your secret plannings and meetings. People in pakistan dun give a shit about wut meetings and plans ....indian,Israel or USA is making against them.....As a matter of fact these plannings are being made since the birth of pakistan and only time will tell what will happen.
I know of one thing.......India is so big, Israel is so strong...USA is so influential....Russia has all the resources but they are not successful in wut they want against pakistan ......With all ur mite if pakistan still exists it shud give u hint......why pakistan is still standing.....
Coz no matter how strong is evil, no matter how big is satan......Truth will always win....
keep on blaming pakistan for mumbai terrorist attacks, which were originally carried out and planned by MOSSAD and RAW....Keep on blaming pakistan for supporting Al Qaeda which we all know ALQaeda has nothing to do with, all this 911 drama....originally planned and carried out by USA's establishment.....
Keep on blaming pakistan for all ur internal problems......U wont be successful in political Propaganda against pakistan.....One last thing if pakistan goes down .....swear to GOD u all will go down too.......We've got bombs buddy ....do u realize that....we are terrorists(HUH!!) and weve got bombs.....
Once again stick to the topic
Sincerely,:)
TARIQ

 
At 12:04 AM, Blogger ravi said...

Yes you have bombs Tariq,brilliant! that is the only language you lot understand. Bombs and mass mayhem and barbarism. By the way if you did not know then I will tell you an open secret, the Americans have now total control over your nuclear arsenal.Live in hope mate!

 
At 12:33 AM, Blogger ravi said...

And by the way Tariq,we do not have hate for Pakistanis but we certianly despise the ways of the Pakistani Punjabi mafia who have done terrible terrible things including committing a genocide in what is now Bangla Desh-almost 2 million killed and many hundreds of thousands women raped.The Balochs,Sindhis,Pathans and many other minorities continue to live under the terrible Punjabi oppression and the civilised world has a duty to come to their aid.

 
At 10:18 PM, Blogger gutto786 said...

LOL buddy.........I wud not argue with you....as Ive said before I dun give a damn about wut and low mentality haters like u have to think about us.......By the way I know its jealousy.....but anyways I wont go into discussion with an uneducated,blind hater like u.....
One more thing.....if u wanna get away for ur own mental creation of so called " Pakistani Punjabi Mafia" ....lemme know and I wud show u the beauty of pakistan punjab.....I wud show u the hospitality of pakistani punjabis...If u have time I cud take u to the streets of punjab and u cud see how loving and friendly pakistani punjabis are......but only if ur intrested to get away from that hate....and try to see the real picture......
Anyways.....I just wanna say "wutever" to anything u say ....
Regarding the US taking over pakistani nuclear weapons.....I wud say .....ohhh wut r we going to do now.....ahh we are doomed....ahh US has control over pakistan nuclear weapons....ahh what is pakistani punjabi mafia gonna do now.....hahahahaha!!!...weve lost control over our nuclear weapons.....Mr. Secret agent has all the news....wut are we going to do now......hahaha...ur really some kid with inferiority complex trynna get a little attention ryt.....Mr. Secret Agent????ryt
Stop this nuisance really Mr. secret agent.....uve got some psychological problem or something....stop this bullshit just to get some attention......just tell us that u want attention we will give it to u .....coz Pakistani punjabi mafia is famous for its hospitality too....
Stick to the topic...I wud still suggest.....dun get so much excited...even if US has control over nuclear weapons of ur so called "pakistani punjabi mafia"(HaHaHa!!!) they are not going to give them to u .....so why are u gettin excited Mr. All Knowing!!!

 
At 10:26 PM, Blogger gutto786 said...

Ravi is in love with ...."Pakistani Punajabi Mafia"......Ravi luvs "Pakistani Punjabi Mafia" he doesnt wanna admit that......
Dun wrry ravi.....I can understand ur obsession to the word"Pakistani Punjabi Mafia"(HaHaHaHa)
Pakistani Punjabi Mafia(according to Ravi) is an organistaion which kills genocide....threatens 2 million rapes...and helps bangladeshis.......or the other way around.....but something like that......HaHaHaHa
Thats so strange Ravi knows a lot about this Mafia .....I being a pakistani punjabi born never knew we were doing such services to the world......
Moral of the Story: Mr. Secret agent(Ravi)knows things about "Pakistani Punjabi Mafia" which this mafia doesnt even know itself.....Mr. All Knowing(Ravi) knows such plans of US and Russia which US and Russia doesnt even know themselves......
RAVI LUVS "GENOCIDE,RAPE & OFCOURSE THE WORD PAKISTANI PUNJABI MAFIA"

 
At 5:49 AM, Blogger king said...

in the name of allah.
from the first let mi tell you that my english is very very weak.
here some hindus commented that the people of afghanistan, balochistan etc should reconvert to hinduism.
i dont understand how this hindu guys said that. what is hinduism. according to mi hinduism is the worst bullshit religion in the world. statue with elefant head with 8 hands is somthing ridiculs. cow is saint monkey is saint dont eat meat. what is this? i think the riligion of those african or sud amerikan are better than hinduism who worship sun fire etc. the sun gives light the fire gives heat. but what the statue gives with his 8 hands. look at the caste system something un beliveable.
i would like to ask question to this hindu guys who defend the hinduism as a religion of peace and bla bla bla....
why the hindus are converting into cristianity in the region of Orrisa Karnatka etc. and when they were converted to cristianity why the other hindu extrimists kill them, haras them burns alive? why
if your religion is so good why they convert themselve to other religion with out any force? althogh they are in india where hindus are very strong.



so dont blame islam as a terrorist religion Islam = la religione perfetta del mondo
one another thing if hinduism is so good why it remaind just in indía. why the other people in the other parts of the world did not adopted this so called good religion.


i will wait for the answers of my questions.
bye arrividerci!

 
At 10:37 PM, Blogger senthil said...

Its not just hinduism.. its enough, if the balochis, understood their pre-islamic roots.. that will give them more strength and power to fight further..

A nation has to be formed through unanimity and consensus from the people.. and india, inspite of all differences, had established such unity among people..

But pakistan only abused its own people, and thus bangladesh separated..
And now baluchis is feeling the same oppression as bangladeshis had over the past..

I wish, the baluchis trace their roots to pre-islamic culture of theirs.. its not matter whether its zorastraniams or buddhism or hinduism..
Let them connect with their glorious pre-islamic past, and establish the continuity of their culture..

 
At 11:07 PM, Blogger Mayank said...

1. Hinduism teaches people to aceept god in multiple forms.Your mother is like god becos they brought you in this world, cow gave you her milk is a god, sun gave u warmth is also a god and several gods around you who took care of you. Al this teachings have made a hindu tolerant enough to respect and even believe in gods of other religion. Throughout the world, only a hindu bends for every god... be it its own, jesus or even your allah. The problem is with your religion who teacs that some unknown, unform power exists who sent a rapist on earth as his messanger and a murderer to kill anyone who doesnt accept in him.
2. Casteism is not a part of hindu but an evil by product of society. Like Mohajirs are illtreated, low working class was illtreated in ancient civilization.
In Pakistan, you have your BLASEMY LAW only to protect Islam. But no laws to protect other minor religions. Accept it or not, i have never seen a more mean and rediculous religion like urs in this world. Thats why the world hates Islam. Jews, christians, hindus, buddhist are all against this evil religion

 
At 8:17 AM, Blogger king said...

hi mayank.
you say that mother is god because she brought u to this world, cow is god because gives milk, sun is god etc. you know this cow do not have milk for human being, her milk is for her baby it is the man that take the milk of her baby. it can not be god.i think u would say this also that the male of cow dont give milk it is not god and remeber one thing this cow, mother etc that hindus consider them god they also dies, become sick so the hindus would say , our god cow dies, our mother god died.(hahahahha) so what about monkey, elefant, (the statue with elefant head with 8 hands, the statue of monkey etc).
you say that caste system is something product of bad society and it is not part of hinduism. but i know this caste system is from the day that hinduism started.
but the terrorism in islam is not from the time of its startin it is also the product of bad socity.(not like your caste system from the centuries)
you also say that hinduism is good and teaches tolerant to respect other religion but why the most religios and practicant hindus kill the other hindus who convert in other religion, burn thier houses. why?

so dont blame in islam. i said islam= perfect religion
and remember this that the hinduism had no any glories past no any glories present and no any glories future. day by day its population is decresing and dont suggest others to convert into hinduism.
yeah it was some how ok to convert into cristianism, buddism, hebrew etc becaus thier teachings are good. but hinduism OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!
i would become a Chinese who eats rat, dog , cat etc but not a Hindu with a per fect religion. nonono
yes it is right india is a devilopped progressive country but not because it is a hindu country
because it is a secular country if the hindus would not become secular still there were foriegners government and the hindus in the temples.

i am a muslim but not like u a cutter hindu. i dont go to masjid , i drink alkohal i do everything that is haram in islam but when some one offends islam i dont accept because it is the perfect religion and is not brought to world as easy as hinduism.
i will repeat my words, when hinduism is so much `so called good religion`why it remaind in india why the other people of the world didnot adopt this good religion?
i wait for your reply
king from United States Of Afghanistan.
BYE MAMOOO!!!!!!!!!HAHAHA

 
At 8:28 AM, Blogger gutto786 said...

Its so sad that after presenting all the beauties of ur religion......after saying how Hinduism has respect for other religions....after saying how hinduism accepts all forms of God and religions.......
"YOU STARTED DISRESPECTING ISLAM RIGHT AT THE SPOT".....NOW DO U URSELF SEE UR EVIL BEHAVIOUR.......DO U URSELF REALIZE WHO'S RESPECTING OTHERS RELIGION & HOWZ JUST BLAMING OTHERS RELIGION......

A PERSON IS KNOWN BY HIS ATTITUDE.....IAM SORRY TO SAY MY FRIEND BUT THE WAY U TALK ABOUT OTHERS RELIGION DOESNT ACTUALLY QUALIFIES FOR BEING A RESPECTFUL & PEACEFUL SOCIETY...........

WELL THATS THE BEAUTY OF ISLAM......ISLAM TEACHES RESPECT FOR ALL PROPHETS....RESPECT FOR PROPHETS OF HINDUISM,CHRISTIANITY,JEWISM.....EVERBODY...ISLAM TEACHES US THAT PROPHET KRISHNA,PROPHET JEUSES,PROPHET MOSES, AND ALL OTHER PROPHETS ARE RESPECTFUL FOR EVERBODY....ISLAM DOESNT TEACHES US TO CALL OTHER RELIGIONS PROPHETS "RAPIST"....

Thats the difference .....i hope and pray may u able to see it....may u able to start respecting all the prophets.....coz suppose if what u think and say about Prophet of islam is not right(which is ofcourse not right)......can u imagine

"GODS displeasure and anger for u .....can u?"


So I wud suggest just to be on the safe side.....start respecting all the prophets......Doest requires u to be a muslim or christian or jew.....u can stay hindu but u can still respect other religions prophets.....

 
At 7:45 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Okay...I was gonna stay out of this blog but hold on a second...

Why do you have to insult a personal spirituality of another person? Why do you have to disrespect something that is so important and meaningful to each persons heart?

There are two things in this world, that are the lowest, most disrespectful things to do to another person..
The worst and lowest thing you can do are these two things:

1. Insult someones Mother!

2. Insult someones Religion!

Shame on you guys, i feel sorry for your parents who must have tried hard to raise you right, but you still disobey them. Did they not teach you to respect one another???

Does it hurt you so much that we follow our own religion? Why cant you follow your own religion and leave us alone?

By insulting and bashing Islam, you only make yourself look pathetic and ignorant. Why do you continue to create hatred and tension among fellow human beings for no reason. We are all human beings no?

It is pointless for you to bash Islam, because no matter what..

EVEN IN OUR DEATHBED, EVEN WITH OUR LAST BREATH, EVEN IF WE ARE TORTURED, WE WILL ALWAYS REMAIN MUSLIM.

BORN A MUSLIM

LIVE A MUSLIM

DIE A MUSLIM

ISLAM IS WHAT WE ARE

ISLAM IS OUR LIFE

OUR LIFE IS ISLAM



GET OVER ITTT, ACCEPT THAT THERE IS THIS RELIGION WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. IT WILL ALWAYS BE THERE. WE WILL NEVER LEAVE ISLAM. THERE IS NO POINT IN INSULTING US AND CAUSING HATRED AND PAIN!

SO WHY DO YOU HAVE TO MAKE THIS WORLD MORE HATEFUL BY INSULTING OTHER PEOPLE, WHO DID NOTHING TO YOU?


WHAT DID I SAY OR DO TO YOU?

WHAT DID I SAY ABOUT YOUR RELIGION?

WHY DO YOU HAVE TO INSULT MY RELIGION. IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A PERSON, DEAL WITH THEM, BUT DONT INSULT A WHOLE RELIGON THAT HAS 1.3 BILLION FOLLOWERS ALL OVER THE WORLD.

PEACE!!

 
At 7:49 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

BTW.....KING

SALAAM ALAYKUM HAMWATAN!

NICE TO SEE ANOTHER AFGHAN HERE. :D

 
At 10:15 PM, Blogger Mayank said...

Listening anything against Islam hurts you, but making fun of beliefs and gods of other religions is quite acceptable. All through this blog, no hindu said any disrepectable things about your gods or prophets. What they did said was that islam teaches wrong things and voilence. Thats why I think you guys are the biggest hypocrites. You call your religion perfect and make fun of gods and dieties of other religion. But on hearing anything about your own, you start writing long long long stories. Trust me.. nobody read those loooong messages. We have other work too
Just try to say anyth bad ab hinduism to a hindu. Then pretend a hindu and say anything bad to a muslim ab islam. You wold see your head gone in later case. Then you call us TRIBALS??

 
At 10:55 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

MayankJAAN,

You make no sense at all dear. Look at all my comments and find one comment, just one where i said anything against hinduism. My best friend is hindu, I have much respect for her, and i would never stoop down to such a degrading and ignorant level like you guys to insult an ancient religion that many people follow.

NO IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE WHETHER IT IS ISLAM HINDUISM CHRISTIANITY OR ANYTHING. IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE!

RELIGION AND FAITH AND SPIRITUALISM ARE ENTITIES OF A DIFFERENT WORLD, AND IT IS SO GREAT IT IS BEYOND OUR CONCEPT OF IMAGINATION. SO HOW COULD ANY OF US DISRESPECT ANOTHER RELIGION OR FAITH???

STOP IT.

 
At 4:15 AM, Blogger king said...

salam freshta jan!

i am realy proud of u for your secular mind. i am also like u.

this hindu dont understand the language of love and tolerance. dont waste your precios time for them . live them for me i understand their language and they under stand my language.
i have asked some questions but he is unalbe to reply my question.
take care
Khuda Hafiz.

 
At 4:26 AM, Blogger king said...

Hi mayank!
oh i am so sorry i have wrote alot for you and u dont have time to read this long comment. a good ``Bahana`` for scaping from my questions.
U have time for blaming and insulting islam and others and writing long long comments against them and u have no time for your own religion.

i am waiting for the answers of my questions.
Mayank said...
Tariq/Jalal(read it as Jalil),
You guys may be right. Fereshta may not be a muslim atll.

How can a muslim talk about dying children that too of any religion? If an average muslim would have ever thought like her. world would have been peaceful.

And this lady talks about uniting different religions?? Muslim thinks their religion is superior to others and a thought of unity btw HINDU BUDDHIST JEWISH ANCESTRY can be there but muslims are the ones who fight with all of them.

Next she says that before ISLAM they were barbaric. We know that in muslim countries, still public execution exists, animal slaughter is enjoyed in public. Recently Pelestinians managed to kill 4 Israel COLLEGE STUDENTS and we saw them rejoicing in streets in celebrations. I have already written enough about animal abuse done by them. How more can one be barbaric? She forgot that she is representing herself as muslim.

And last and not the least she blames muslim extremists. Every muslim thinks that his religion is in danger(from ALLLLLL religions of this world) and hence extremism is necessary. Thats why 90% of muslims voted that they support the human genocide in 9/11 and UK bomb blasts.

So Feresta, pl reveal your true religion. In case you are among those 10% of people who hate voilence, you know what is actually expected from you... thru the comments of Tariq and Jalil

4:59 PM


Mayank said...
I dont understand what material are you pakis made up of. We cut out your hand in Bangladesh, we humiliated you in all the wars, still you theaten us by such useless comments about Pakis strength. In fact you created nuclear bomb just to make sure that if ever India decided to invade you, it can serve as a detterent.(check Bhuttos interview). I would not talk about political instabilities, coups, executions of PMs etc etc.
You require US aid to counter terrorism. But yeah yeah... pakistan is great. LOL

Regarding your religion, now when u have commented on our stone gods let me write sth. OK... we worship idols. scientifically you can question that. but shouldn't we question the existance of your allah? Has anyone seen him? er... is he a he or a her or somewhat in middle? And what about his messanger.. mohammad!! You pray someone who killed thousands to expand his influence, who married several women that were POW and who even was a child abuser.
The fundamental approach to a particular faith is to accept all other existing faiths and respect them. You people think that ur religion is superior and question all religions of this world. and why not... your own quran wants you not to befriend christen and jews.
Feresta,
Read Quran..
O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors (over the Muslims): They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust. [Qur'an 5:51]

That again proves you are not a muslim. A muslim should have read it by heart,.
Alaaas... Islam is a religion of peace(read it as pisssss)

5:14 PM

 
At 4:30 AM, Blogger king said...

mayank
i have quoted your own long long comments that u had time for them.
and now no time for my questions.
please rispond mi. rispond my questions.
my comment was before the comment of Mis Freshta but u scaped from me.

 
At 8:09 AM, Blogger gutto786 said...

AT 11:07PM Mayanak said:

""The problem is with your religion who teacs that some unknown, unform power exists who sent a rapist on earth as his messanger and a murderer to kill anyone who doesnt accept in him.""

AND THEN LATER ON HE GOES SOMETHING LIKE THIS:

AT 10:15PM Mayanak says:

All through this blog, ""no hindu said any disrepectable things about your gods or prophets. What they did said was that islam teaches wrong things and voilence"". Thats why I think you guys are the biggest hypocrites. You call your religion perfect and make fun of gods and dieties of other religion. But on hearing anything about your own, you start writing long long long stories. Trust me.. nobody read those loooong messages. We have other work too


I think this clearly indicates who's a hypocrate. I think this is a short enough message for u as most part of this message is what you wrote urself. I dont think u wud have any problem reading what u wrote urself.....

SO MAYANK WHAT DO U THINK ABOUT THIS NOW........MY LITTLE INNOCENT PEACEFUL FREIND

 
At 1:19 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors (over the Muslims): They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust. [Qur'an 5:51]


Mayank. This is the problem with ignorance. You have to know the historical context of that quote. The reason why that quote came after. There is also a quote that says to befriend the christians and jews because they are people of the book.

That specific haya came to warn muslims that the christians and jews of saudi arabi were conspiring against them and were killing and banishing many muslims. So that hayat came down to help muslims be aware that the jews were not their friends like they told them to their face AT THAT TIME. Jews were gaining muslim peoples trust but did not have a good intention for them AT THAT TIME.

You have to know about the history my dear, and i cannot tell u the whole history behind each hayat, but if you knew the history before the Quran was revealed and during its revalation, you would see that these quotes make sense for that time.

I do believe that quote was necessary at that moment in history when muslims were being betrayed by christians and jews. So that quote only relates to those christians and those jews at that time 1400 years ago.

The ultimate message of the Quran that constantly appears throughout the Quran is to be kind to other human beings,and let Allah Ta'Ala be the judge, for it was his will to let people follow whatever religion they follow, so obviously it is not our job to make others convert.

Today many muslims and nonmuslims misinterpret the Quran because they lack knowledge of its history and take its passages out of context.

 
At 10:48 AM, Blogger gutto786 said...

Fershta.....good elaboration of context of the Quranic verse..........But ...But
"I think ur worng where you say these verses for that time.....becoz GOD has mentioned so many times in Quran that Ever single word of Quran is for the guidance of people until the end fo the world...."

There is not a single word of Quran which could just be impleted at that time and couldnt be impleneted at the current time.

Its true that God forbids muslims to be friend with Jews and Christian "who are behaving the same way the christian and jews 1400 years ago were behaving".....

There were certain number of christians and jews who were in constant friendship and peace with muslim even 1400 years ago because they lived like friends with muslims......

TO KING
Also,As holy Prophet said once......"If somebody says it himself/herself that he/she is a muslim, No other mulsim has the right to claim that he/she is not a muslim"

So in the light of this I dun think we have the right to claim that freshta or anybdy in this regard is a non muslim

But I do strongly believe that freshta has taken the understanding of islam to such an extent of secularism that she considers it a SIN to defend islam wen somebody is accusing her religion in front of her.....she also makes interpretation about islam which are not so right .....

Just a small thing in the end......Prophet of Islam was once trapped in cave ....and the non muslims were searching for them....The enemies were swearing at muslims by calling their names.....when the enemies sweared at the Holy Prophet one of the muslim stood up and said I will kill that enemy. The Prophet told that person to sit down quitely becoz God doesnt like people to take revenge for themselves.....But when the enemy started swearing Islam and Allah.....the Prophet told everbdy ...why are you people quite now, God wants you to defend your faith and religion if it is being sweared in fornt of you....

The above example shows that a true muslim doesnt takes revenge for any personal issue but surely does defend islam at any cost....
So Freshta....Lets not secularism makes you forget ur duty towards islam

 
At 6:13 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Gutto 786 said:"GOD has mentioned so many times in Quran that Ever single word of Quran is for the guidance of people until the end fo the world...."

Yes this is true, but how does this conflict with my view??? You dont make any sense "brother"

God said that we should always use the Quran and every word in the Quran forever, during all times. That is true. So all I am saying, is that it is an example of what the christians and jews did at that time, we are not supposed to let it happen again. So we are not supposed to trust them in some matters. Like it said in Quran. The Quran is meant to help us not make the same mistakes, thats why it said that its message should be followed forever, but it does not say to what context, and it does not give details about wat situations and if you read the Quran you should know that.

This is NOT A SECULAR VIEW. IT IS COMMON SENSE!

and if you choose to take everything in Quran literally, as I do not. How can you say I am misguided, when it seems you would be very compatible in "iman" with Al Qaeda and the Taliban with your ignorant and belittling view.

Really. You really think Allah Ta'Ala wants us to hate christians and jews??? So u forget about the other hayat that said to befriend them because they are the people of the book??

And you say I am not interpreting right? What do you think interpretation is??? Interpretation does not have a right or a wrong my dear. IT IS AN INTERPRETATION. So u cannot say it is 'wrong". I have my view and you have yours. Only Allah knows whos view is right, or if there even is a right view!


One more thing. Where did i say it is a sin to defend islam? Can you show me?


Gutto786 said: ""The above example shows that a true muslim doesnt takes revenge for any personal issue but surely does defend islam at any cost...."


Gutto, Are you sure you believe that because you seem to be doing the opposite. I know your problem and I know why you are lying. You still hate me because of what I said about Pakistan. Then just be honest dont lie and use my so called secularism as an excuse to be rude to me. You are not putting islam in a better light when you are insulting a sister just because she has different political views from you, or maybe because you have no respect for Afghans. I dont know. But I do know this. You just make it easier for nonmuslims to prove their point, when you attack me! ANOTHER MUSLIM, for no reason. Good job for making the face of islam look even worse on this page.

And one more thing...No one has right to insult another persons IMAN! NO ONE!

ASALAAMU ALAYKUM WA RAHMATULLAHI WA BARAKATU !

 
At 10:13 PM, Blogger suraj said...

Somebody asked this question?

why it remaind in india why the other people of the world didnot adopt this good religion?

Answer: Please learn to use Google/Wikipedia. The following links may help. I guess you know how to click on hyperlinks and navigate to other urls? if not let me know. By the way URL means "Universal resource Locator".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_by_country
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Afghanistan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Brazil#Hinduism_in_Brazil
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Ghana
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Indonesia

1.And also we Hindus do not have the saudi king, rich wahabis or cash embeded churches who send out proselytising missions.

2.Most people who have embraced hinduism have donr it out of their own interest and reserach not because of fianacial, political or any allurement.

3.Wherever Hinduism spread it has amalgamated with the local culture and enriched it. It didn't uproot a people of its civilization and culture.

4.We do not follow the philosophy that "Our god is the only true god", "Someone is the LAST and FINAL messenger", "Mine is right, yours is wrong" etc etc.

5. last and final:-Whereever Hindus have gone, they have earned the respect of being a model minority, but wherever muslims have gone they have brought extra troubles, criminalisation, and obviously they overpopulate the jails and prisions everywhere. THIS IS FACT.

My one question to you- It is true that Islam has spread to huge number of countries, but the fact is most of these are still today, backward countries with no political stability and all undergoing some sort of civil war, arson , and violence. WHY?

 
At 12:03 AM, Blogger Mayank said...

I do not have time to read and write long and silly things. I have seen that you guys go on writing too much.
I will respond to ypur things as soon as I get sometime. However, I would not resist this opportunity to redicule you guys for associating secularism with islam. Throughout this world, we hardly have 12 islamic countries who claim to be secular. One of our gentleman gutto786 who happens to be from Pakistan already lost his sleep for this word and was quick to undermine it. You guys sitting in a developed nation llike US may claim to use such words but ur countries never follow them. Look at Blasephy laws in pakistan. Its a fun of secularism... but still a pakistani wants to be called a secular. Did you guys ever have ur Prime mon, president or even a minister from another religion? Can you accept a hindu t lead your muslim country?? Look at India for the perfect exaple of secularism and hence never use this word when arguing with a proud Indian

 
At 11:36 AM, Blogger king said...

Hi Mayank and Suraj!
I am still waiting for the answers of my questions.

 
At 11:39 AM, Blogger king said...

hinduism in afghanistan
hindduism by country
hinduism in ghana
hinduism in brazil
hinduism in indonesia

BULLSHIT IN INDIA:
thanks to those muslim and mongolian empires who brought civilization in india.

 
At 11:05 PM, Blogger suraj said...

to king

Man I know that you can type out a variety of words like "Bullsiht", "Fuck", blah blah.

I already had an idea how your mind works. An empty can(not even bullshit fills it). There is absolutely no use talking to you.

Go on and type any response. I ain't reading man.
B-bye!

 
At 8:50 AM, Blogger king said...

ok suraj and mayank
thanks for your risponse.
Maamoo kuch hosh tikaney aaayaa.
Hindu KAA Bachcha badaa aayaa samjaney wala.haahahaha

 
At 9:19 AM, Blogger gutto786 said...

To Freshta

Right after u delivered a long speech on how u follow the True islam and How Gutto786 is always wrong......U did the same thing which Mayanak did earlier....

See...from the time I felt that I may have hurt you Ive become very cautious specially writing to u .....I have always adopted a respetfull way.....

I DUNNO BUT IVE FELT THAT EVERYBDY EXCEPT THE PEOPLE FROM PAKISTAN HAVE THIS SERIOUS OBSESSION TOWRDS MAKING PERSONAL ATTACKS ON OTHER PEOPLE

I just pointed out that ur taking it way more secular then islam shud be taken......Remember the time wen Mayanak and suraj were making direct attacks on islam and prophet of islam and u were still writing them friendly notes....
I cant do that dear sister becoz as Ive mentioned I dun think people who attack my religion and prophet of islam deserve friendly notes ....they shud be treated the hard way.....

If u think this makes me like people of Alqaeeda or wutever u think.....I dun care about wut u think about me .....I know wut Iam..........

Last thing dear sister......Ive nothing in my heart against u becoz u said anything bout pakistan.......See we pakistanis are very straightforward people....we dun keep things inside us .....we just spit them out......thats why pakistan always looses diplomatic battles against india:)

Anyways, even I dun think I deserved such an attitude from u wen i was very respectful in wutever I pointed out.....my intention was just of discussion.....
One last thing....Ive nothing against u or anybdy here in my heart....

To KING

Way to go Bro.....indians deserve more then that.....push them to edge....coz if we wont then they surely wud.....

 
At 9:34 AM, Blogger gutto786 said...

To Mayanak

Hindus in pakistan = less then 1% population

previous Chief Justice of pakistan = Rana Bhagwandas

Hindu cricketer = Danesh kaneria

Hindus have permanent membership in pakistan's national assembely and they are allowed to run for elections as an independent memebers in their area or any other area under the Constitution of pakistan....

5% allocations for hindus in pak army....
seats in provincial and national assembely

NOTE: Hindus are givent the right to fight for a seat in any province of pakistan even if they dun belong to that province.....its the special Minorities law in pakistan....

Hindus contribution in Courts and Bar association...

THESE ARE ALL RIGHTS GIVEN TO less then 1% HINDUS IN PAKISTAN

Total muslims in india = 20% of population

Muslim massacare in utter pradesh

Babery mosque destroyed

Chrsitian and other minorities have just 5% resoruces of the whole country

Hindu extremist organizations working under the protection of govt.

Ur own news says ur ARMY OFFICER was invovled in bombing of the train coming from pakistan to india..

Are u ashamed of urself now.....are u ashamed of the secularism in india now......Do u even realize how minorities are living in ur great secular india....

 
At 10:04 AM, Blogger Mayank said...

My dear Gutto
You got too much spare time for all this long preeches of yours. Regarding your message to farista, this is exactly how you create jihadis. Go on preeching, calling other communities worthless and denouncing secularism. I can tell you that the lady is from an advanced country far from the hatred that you people put against people of other religions. I can realise the extent of sleepless nights and constipated mornings are you getting from this word secularism.

Regarding glorious situation of Pak minorities... here is an article in your own paper. Main thing is check ur ratings in Minority rights group which is a neutral organisation.

http://www.thepersecution.org/news/2007/kt0607.html

 
At 7:37 AM, Blogger gutto786 said...

Dear Mayanak...
ur funny....U think Iam taking it as seriously as u are....hahaha....Its a fun game for me to come here and talk to loosers like u .....Ive got a lot to do in my life...Saturday to sunday monday...monday to sunday...so swear to GOD my frend Ive got no sleepless nights ....hahaha....ur really very innocent....anyways.....No worries lets come to the point

Why dun u answer any allegations against india....

I cud come up with any fansy....www.blahblahblah.com and show how minorities are being crushed in india....but in case of india I dun need to coz its something we can see and observe....

U made that website at home....or some of ur frend made it right...I can make thousands like that and upload them on internet....hahaha

Talking about proofs since wen u indians started talking based on proofs...I thought u people were always ready to accuse anybdy anywhere for no reason.....

 
At 9:20 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Gutto 786. You are not being a good representation of muslims when you
insult people back if they insult you. If they insult your religion,
you are supposed to defend your religion, you are not supposed to
insult their religion and insult them back, because then you are
stooping down to their low, disgusting, ignorant, and sickening level.
As a muslim, you are supposed to be above that. You are a Muslim, you
have to represent Islam, what Islam really is. May I remind you of a
very significant part of Islam is TOLERANCE.

Remember Hazrat Muhammad SalAllahu Alaiyhi Wa Salaam, In regards to
the Jewish man who would insult him and throw garbage at him every day
when he would leave his house. Every day the Prophet would pass by and
the Jewish man would insult and throw things at him, and every day
with kindness, the Prophet would respond with a smile on his face.
"Salaam Alaykum" (PEACE BE UPON YOU). One day, the Jewish man was not
there, and the Prophet got worried and suspected something was wrong
with the man. So the Prophet Muhammad, went over to his house to visit
him and found that the Jewish man was very sick, in bed. When the Jew
looked up and saw Hazrat Muhammad, he was shocked and he asked "Why
are you here?" and the Prophet replied "Because you are my friend, i
was worried about you." At that moment, the Jew, amazed by his
kindness and his piety, started crying tears, and asked for
forgiveness and embraced Islam.


Another example....Once the Prophet was seated at some place in
Madinah, along with his Companions. During this time a funeral
procession passed by. When the Prophet saw this, he stood up in
respect for the funeral. One of his Companions, looked at him and said
that the funeral was that of a Jew. The Prophet replied, "Was he not a
human being?"


Rasullulah is AL MUALIM... He is our teacher, we follow him. we learn
from his life. So how do you not take his life and try to apply it to
your own? If you love the Prophet, you will try to follow him. If you
are a Muslim, you will die to be like him. So are you doing that? You
and all those who do not follow the Prophets steps are a disgrace to
Islam and Islamic teachings....Astaghfirullah. May Allah ta'ala guide
you all to peace.

 
At 9:20 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

And Im sorry to say. It seems to me from all the muslim nations, there
are only two that forgets the teachings of our dearly beloved Prophet
Muhammad (SAWS). And unfortunately these ignorant indians, like you
ignorant pakistanis, have an ignorant view of Islam, because of
ignorant pakistanis following Islam and using politics in an IGNORANT
WAY!

From my observation and experience I concluded to this truth... You
all are ignorant! Prove me wrong. Please. I would love to be proved
wrong because i dont want anyone in this world to be so horribly
ignorant. I feel sorry for all of you, really from the bottom of my
heart. I dont know HOW ANY OF YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT!! And im talking to
all of you, hindus and muslims.

Gutto and other muslims on this forum: You and I both know there are
many many examples of the Prophet showing tolerance when he was
mistreated. It would take forever to post all of his great examples
towards humanity, and that is a shame that a so called "islamic"
nations that i will not name, misuses the image and name of islam and
distorts it to such a monstrosity that everyone all over the world
insults islam and muslims for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, before
they sleep, after they wake up, every second of every day. It is a
shame...

 
At 12:12 AM, Blogger suraj said...

Leave prophet and his life. Todays Islam is the Islam that has evolved during the last 1400 years, and with each step it has become deteriorated and demonised. It is not that easy to un-make that demonisation that have taken place for so long, just with a few examples from prophet's life.

Personally I do not have much problem with Prophet, but today's Muslims.
At the end of the day, a religion is what its followers enact, not the mere dictation in the books.

Just like a tree is the fruit it bears.

And our cursing Islam is not because we have a passion for it. It is because we are being victimized by Islam for the last 1000 years at a steady trend.

 
At 12:14 AM, Blogger suraj said...

And by the way all the defenders/soldiers of Islam and Prophet must realise that the very heading and content of this article has been written by a Muslim.

It is the idea of a Muslim to think coming back to Hinduism, nobody among us pampered.

 
At 5:04 AM, Blogger king said...

hi suraj!
tum ne phir zuban kola?

 
At 9:06 AM, Blogger gutto786 said...

Thanx Freshta.....thats so nice of you....I guess being a paksitani and a muslim I deserve all these comments

Just a small correction for Suraj....
"Its been 1500 years now since the prophet time not 1400 years."

 
At 9:33 AM, Blogger gutto786 said...

One last thing...
"IF US & UK & MANY OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE THE RIGHT TO CURSE PAKISTANIS THEN WHY DOESNT AFGHANIS AND INDIANS HAVE THAT RIGHT......"

From today onwards, I am out of this conversation of defending pakistan.....You know if everybody is cursing pakistan then obviously there is something which is wrong......and Afghans and indians should have the right to curse pakistan.....the whole world should have the right to curse pakistan and hold pakistan responsible for all the problems anywhere in the world.....

I totally agree with that .....No objections.....u guys are right about pakistan...

SAME IS TRUE FOR ISLAM.....IF THE WHOLE WORLD THINKS ISLAM IS THE ROOT CAUSE OF ALL THE PROBLEMS....I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING TO IT ALSO.....

So from today onwards ......No more objections and defence from my side.......

If I have ever been harsh to anybody I say sorry for that.....and consider me out of this discussion for ever....I will be an active member and I support all of you in baluchistan's freedom.....

If freeing baluchistan and breaking pakistan is the solution for all the problems then lets do it.......I support this cause .....it will atleast bring peace in the world......

 
At 3:41 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Dear Suraj


Okay, Well atleast now your brain has evolved to a level where you actually came to the conclusion that you cannot keep blaming the religion itself or the prophet. Congratulations. You have taken yourself one step ahead on the evolution latter, and have now become an intelligent being.
I have yet to see, if other people on this forum will evolve as well.

Okay Suraj, I see you are saying, you have been a victim of islamic mispractices the past thousand years. Well so have we. Do you think we are not victims? When we are insulted every day because there are psychos out there who claim to fight in the name of islam?

When people become so angry about terrorists and extremists that they insult our Creator and our Prophet??

Are we the elite ones in the world right now? I wasnt under the impression that muslims are the agressors right now, because it seems to me that WE are the ones being BOMBED, KILLED, and BURNED every day BY NON MUSLIMS as well as people who claim to be muslim!

Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Lebanon, Palestine...

These are islamic countrys being bombed by the west right now, every day. Let me not even name the islamic countries that have suffered under foreign policy, because then i would have to name nearly all of them.

One last thing Suraj, there are victims all over the world, victims of oppression by another group of people. Those who look beyond the oppression and realize that not everyone of that group is bad, are the enlightened ones.

And I can only hope that you and others realize that too

 
At 3:50 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Gutto 786

I said once before, I have nothing against educated people in pakistan, but the pakistani government and the extremists and the citizens who support the hatred and ignorance, i have a problem with them and with anyone from any country from any religion who is like that.

This is why i was not only insulting Pakistanis, but I also insulted the Indians here too, because frankly, you all sounded ignorant and cruel.

Dont bring religion into this. This is all politics.


Im sorry if i sounded harsh. Im not trying to insult you. I dont want to fight, but your offending me sometimes, and i dont appreciate that, but also I did not want to be mean. Im sorry.

 
At 11:24 PM, Blogger Survivor said...

Hi Fereshta, First of all it's really nice to see your comments. I know that media has been responsible in creating a very poor image of Afghanistan, but the fact is Afghanistan is a great country and Afghans are very friendly, happy and peace loving people. I know Afghanistan is currently facing some problems and I totally agree that Pakistan has been responsible for these problems. Taliban is their proxy government. They want to control Afghanistan just to have some strategic depth in case of a war with India. Due to Pakistan's own selfish motives and insecurities they have been responsible for creating so many problems for Afghanistan. As long as Taliban was just creating problems for Afghanistan both Pakistani government as well as people were supporting Taliban. Now that Taliban has reached SWAT Pakistanis are finally tasting their own medicine. I think this is the law of Karma, what goes around comes around! I hope, wish and pray that Afghanistan wins it's war against all the evil forces and gets the future that it truly deserves. Also I'm sorry for the way some Indians/Hindus attacked you. I really liked your way of interpreting Islam. I hope all muslims interpret Islam like you then we can really call Islam as a religion of peace!

 
At 11:36 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Hello Survivor dear,

Wow, I really really really am thankful for your kind message and your knowledge of my country and people. Thank you so much.

I am so happy to hear someone in this forum finally, is not deceived by the media and knows that Afghanistan and the people are much nicer and kinder than they are perceived in the media.

Thank you for finding truth instead of believing what you see and hear on tv. I also see that you have alot of knowledge about the politics. YOU KNOW! FINALLY!

Someone here knows about the situation. That is the truth that Pakistan is supporting the taliban and Al Qaeda. Musharaff said it himself several times, including recently on an interview on CNN, Unless he has a twin brother!!!

Everyone knows what Pakistan is doing, I dont understand why some people refuse to accept that truth. Anyways I can post several articles, interviews, that shows this. Just ask. Thank you dear for your knowledge. Bless you.


And as for apologizing on behalf of hindus/indians let me just say..

"Forgiveness is a divine quality"

So ofcourse I forgive. Plz dont apologize. I also apologize and i ask you to accept my apology too. I get carried away sometime but I have met Hindus, Indians and a few Pakistanis who are much much nicer and kinder people so I am not going to judge them all based on this forum.

Most importantly, thank you for having an open mind on Islam. I hope you can understand that the same way they show Afghanistan in a bad light in the media, they do the same thing with Islam unfortunately. If you open your heart and try to learn about a religion with unbias, u will see what that religion really is about and that is what I did and all I found was peace. : )

Thank you again for the immense amount of kindness and knowledge you donated to this room. Great example of a human being!

 
At 9:43 AM, Blogger gutto786 said...

Hey Everybdy

So wuts up with Baluchistan's freedom.....Where's the excitement guys.....we shud discuss more and more to come up with some kinda strategy to free baluchistan.....How far are we with that?

Gotta get that done as soon as possible ....breaking pakistan means solving "every problem" of the world........

 
At 1:30 PM, Blogger Jalal said...

The reason the Muslim world is in the state is in is because of people who choose their country over their religion. People who chose their ethnicity over their religion. No sane Afghan would side with muderous India. These Muslims are too ignorant to realize that once the western world divides us we will be prowerful. Baclochis are treated fine in Pakistan. My own mother is a Baloch. And Pakistan supporting the Taliban helped Afghanistan. They had a government and a stable country. You think the state of women improved after the Taliban left? Hell no. Breaking up Balochistan will only take us further away from uniting.
Thats why Afghans need to step up. We gave refuge to 3 million of them and they still disrespect us. Hopefully all Afghans do not think this way. Us Muslims must come together for the greater good.
Pakistan Zindabad
Afghanistan Zindabad
India Murdabad
RAW murdabad
You did it once in Bengal. You'll never do it again.

 
At 1:36 PM, Blogger Jalal said...

One more thing to add.
President Zardari is a Baloch. So much for Punjabis dominating. As a matter of fact we have never had a Punjabi president! you fags dont realize this. Lets go down the list.
Ayub Khan-Pashtun
Yaya Khan-Pashtun
Zulfikar Ali Bhutto-Sindhi
Pervez Musharraf-Mohajir
Asif Zardari-Baloch

Punjabis do not in any way dominate.

 
At 4:44 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Jalal, I have nothing against your people but if you support your terrorist government i cannot support your statement. You speak of Islam, and uniting islam. Islam will not be united as long as your country and Saudi Arabia continue to terrorize, mistreat, degrade and torture their own muslim brothers!

You speak of Islam and patriotism? Are you kidding me? Dont speak of Islam to an Afghan. DO YOU KNOW YOUR ISLAMIC HISTORY??? Probably not, because pakistan hasnt contributed to islamic advancement at all. Only Persians/Afghans and Arabs (a few) have!!

Who brought Islam to your country?? And you say Afghans dont know.

We have been a civilization and an islamic nation for many hundreds of years. Much much longer than pakistan.

We are responsible for advancing Islam, when the arabs were killing each other over the caliphate!

Are you a Hanafi muslim? Majority of Muslims are Hanafi...

Do you know who Abu Hanifa was?? Do you know where his parents lived??? KABUL!! He is one of the most revered islamic leaders responsible for spreading and bringing islam to the highest status during the islamic empire and today BILLIONS of muslims follow him!!!

Do you know Ibn Sina? Known in the west as (Avicenna) FROM BALKH AFG!!One of the first medical doctors in history, thousands of years ago, and he was a MUSLIM FROM AFGHANISTAN AS WELL. He wrote the encyclopedia of medicine. There are hospitals named after him throughout europe. Medicine would not have advanced if it werent for him, and he was AFGHAN!

Do you know Sultan Mahmoud Ghaznawi from Ghazna AFG!who controlled your country and India for many years, as the islamic society flourished under his rule.

Do you know Abu Muslim Khorasani.He was from Afghanistan as well! The first leader who overthrew the umayyid dynasty and support the abbasids who technologically advanced the muslim nations with algebra, science, astronomy, when most europeans didnt even know how to read.

Do you know Albumasar? From Balkh! One of the most famous islamic mathematicians, astronomers, philosophers during the islamic enlightenment period!

Do you know MAWLANA JALALUDDIN RUMI??

He was a famous poet from Balkh afghanistan, a thousand years ago he would write poems, that are still being read today.

He is the number one selling poet in the west. and the reason why most Americans convert to islam every week is because they read his work!!! He is revered all over the world for his beautiful introduction of islam through peace! 1,000 years ago!

Your government slaves over Arabs and supports their terrorism, but do you even know during the whole history of islam, the beginning was all murder and bloodshed, finally WE PERSIANS/AFGHANS advanced it to be a respectable technologically advanced academic religion that is responsible for many inventions and astronomical discoveries, we did in the name of islam, more than 1,000 years ago.

Every muslim owes thanks to our Afghan/Persian historical heroes who are responsible for why there are many muslims today, and why islam is still attributed to advancements such as algebra, astronomy and many other things that we contributed. WE BROUGHT BACK THE TORCHLIGHT TO ISLAM!

NOT ARABS (except 4 caliphs)
NOT PAKIS

BUT AFGHANS/PERSIANS!!

Go read your islamic history!


I hope not all Pakistanis think like you and forget the heroes of Islam, who were responsible for advancing Islam! MOST OF WHOM WERE FROM AFGHANISTAN AND PERSIAN NATIONS!!

Never forget Islam history!

Even Hazrat Muhammad (SAWS) mentioned in hadith, when he was speaking to Salman-Farsi (RA) , he said it will be his people that will bring islam back. AND HIS PEOPLE DID, AND WE WILL CONTINUE INSHA'ALLAH!

Let me find that hadith and post it below.

 
At 4:50 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Here is the Hadith:

EVEN OUR BELOVED PROPHET MUHAMMAD (SAWS) SAID IN HIS HADITH:


Abu Hurraira narrates, that the Prophet prayed the following verse:

‘If ye turn back, He will substitute in your stead another people, then they would not be like you.’ (Q47:38)

The Sahabah asked the Prophet:

‘Oh Prophet, who are these people that Allah has mentioned, that he would chose them instead of us? That they will not do as we did?’

The Prophet(SAWS) placed his hand on Salman’s thigh and said:

‘It will be his people. And even if faith is near the Surya, someone from the Persians would attain it.’


There is other reference to Salman Farsi (RA) as well. If you want me to post more Hadith. Please, its no trouble. Let me know brother!


SALAAM ALAYKUM

 
At 3:30 AM, Blogger king said...

for jalal!
u are so proud of ur taliban y u dont join them and bring stability in pakistan.
(taliban ka eik ialj=shomali ittihad)

 
At 9:40 AM, Blogger gutto786 said...

Salam Jalal....
Brother dun u get it.......
Its just a waste of time coming here and making them realize the dirty political games being played right now.........See how the world is isolating pakistan.....its happening just relax brother let them play it to the end......

Rememeber you are dealing with people who hate pakistan from inside.....u wont ever be able to convince them at all....

Iam a pakistani....I love my country....I thought I might be able to clear out the skies and lies created against pakistan....but of no use....As a pakistani I know there is no baluchi, punjabi, sindhi,pathan in pakistan.....everybdy is pakistani....its the foriegn media trying to spread this hatred.....

So thats why brother I decided .....to quit this conversation....its of no use....let them hate who ever they want....let them label us the biggest terrorist of the world....They say pakistan is the root cause of the trouble in the world.....let them pray and work to break pakistan....I wanna see how they do it....Ofcourse they are such good muslims God will listen to their prayers.....:)

and we all know thats not gonna happen......inshAllah

Let these kids be happy if they get some peace cursing and accusing pakistan..........
Dun wrry jalal......please just ignore them.......I wud say support them and have fun with them
By the way did u see the response u got its funny brother......from the response it seems like ....every great scholar of islam was from afghanistan ....every great ruler was from afghanistan....I was afraid they wud even claim Hazrat Mohammed (PBUH) was from afghanistan too.......It seems like Arabs and pakis are just made to destroy islam......way to GO....these kids are full of afghanistan......

Yeah....way to GO......everybdy ....we should quickly destroy pakistan....to give "PEACE" to world...please try harder to get baluchistan its freedom.......obviously breaking pakistan means solving all the issues of the world......:)

I wrote this all just to clear up myself infront of a brother from pakistan....Iam still outta this argument

 
At 12:42 PM, Blogger Jalal said...

Gutto786 I understand this. It seems very much that Fereshta is not an Afghan. Every Afghan Ive met has been so respectful of Pakistan. She is probably an Indian.

But to Fereshta do you understand that the Taliban could not exist without Afghani support. The Taliban was helping Afghanistan move forward. But if we did not love our Afghani brothers and sisters we would not allow 3 million to take refuge ino ur country. Your so quick to forget these things.

Afghans have done shit for Islam. Dont act like you know anything about Islamic history. Persains are tools who resist Islam. It has been the Arabs and Pakistanis whove done everything. We were the ones who created the Mughal Empire. Who made advancements in so many places and helped bring millions of people to Islam. The Arabs developed almost all our scientific knowledge.
The Afghans cant even keep a stable government. And you blame us for it. Afghanistan is the msot failed backwards state in the world. You do nothing to improve it but you jsut sit on your computer and complain about us. Thats your mindset.
Who cares where Abu Hanafi lived he was an Arab!
The Arabs started Islam. The Arabs brought Islam to the world. The Arabs made every advancement Muslims made.
Ibn Sin is NOTHING compared to the thousands of Arabs doctors and scientists who came before him and did much before. One example would be the inventor of algebra.

Sultan Mahmoud Ghaznawi is not even comparable to our Mughals. Woh controlled the entire India not just a little bit. Who buult universities and the Taj Mahal. What have Afghans done? Your just a bunch of terrorists who have ethnic clashes every 5 seconds? While Pakistan Pashtuns assimilate into our society your people do crimes to Hazaras every day.

Rumi was just a poet. Your bringing up the most irrelevent people in Islamic history. If you were to make a list of Islam's most important people the people you mentioned wouldn't even crack
the top 100.
Perhaps Persians have done a lot for Islam. The 3 most importanr Islamic empires by historians were the Ottoman Empire, the Mughal Empire, and the Persian Empire. Nothing to do with you Afghans. Your whats bringing us down. Why was Bin Ladin given refuge in your terrorist state. The Muslim world is moving forward. And you people are moving backward.
All you do is complain about us.

 
At 12:44 PM, Blogger Jalal said...

Gutto786 I understand this. It seems very much that Fereshta is not an Afghan. Every Afghan Ive met has been so respectful of Pakistan. She is probably an Indian.

But to Fereshta do you understand that the Taliban could not exist without Afghani support. The Taliban was helping Afghanistan move forward. But if we did not love our Afghani brothers and sisters we would not allow 3 million to take refuge ino ur country. Your so quick to forget these things.

Afghans have done shit for Islam. Dont act like you know anything about Islamic history. Persains are tools who resist Islam. It has been the Arabs and Pakistanis whove done everything. We were the ones who created the Mughal Empire. Who made advancements in so many places and helped bring millions of people to Islam. The Arabs developed almost all our scientific knowledge.
The Afghans cant even keep a stable government. And you blame us for it. Afghanistan is the msot failed backwards state in the world. You do nothing to improve it but you jsut sit on your computer and complain about us. Thats your mindset.
Who cares where Abu Hanafi lived he was an Arab!
The Arabs started Islam. The Arabs brought Islam to the world. The Arabs made every advancement Muslims made.
Ibn Sin is NOTHING compared to the thousands of Arabs doctors and scientists who came before him and did much before. One example would be the inventor of algebra.

Sultan Mahmoud Ghaznawi is not even comparable to our Mughals. Woh controlled the entire India not just a little bit. Who buult universities and the Taj Mahal. What have Afghans done? Your just a bunch of terrorists who have ethnic clashes every 5 seconds? While Pakistan Pashtuns assimilate into our society your people do crimes to Hazaras every day.

Rumi was just a poet. Your bringing up the most irrelevent people in Islamic history. If you were to make a list of Islam's most important people the people you mentioned wouldn't even crack
the top 100.
Perhaps Persians have done a lot for Islam. The 3 most importanr Islamic empires by historians were the Ottoman Empire, the Mughal Empire, and the Persian Empire. Nothing to do with you Afghans. Your whats bringing us down. Why was Bin Ladin given refuge in your terrorist state. The Muslim world is moving forward. And you people are moving backward.
All you do is complain about us.

 
At 9:06 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

"The search of knowledge is an obligation laid on every Muslim."

-The Prophet Muhammad (SAWS)


Okay brother, your ignorance almost scares me. Im sorry I was mean. As a muslim, i should have offered help. As a sister, I will help you now. Im serious, now its about helping you. You are muslim, you should know Islamic history so please let me help you. No insults. I promise.

Please I ask you nicely to First go read Islamic history and then come back and tell me all those people I listed were not Afghan and I will accept it kindly. Please research yourself. I will try to help you inshAllah.

Its also important to note that:
Afghans are Persian. Brother, why do you think Afghans speak Persian? Even Pashto is a sub-branch of Iranian languages. If you need more information on this, please ask me and i will direct you to some good sources.

I have met other Pakistani brothers and sisters who do have this knowledge about Afghan people that they are persian. Afghanistan is your neighbor, you should atleast know that little thing about us. For example I know about my neighbor Pakistan consists of Punjabis, Pashtuns, Balochs, and other various ethnicities. But you dont even know that half of the afghan population is persian and the other half is turkic. Its okay, I dont blame you. Knowledge can sometimes be relative. Its fine, but if I offer you help, please do not deny me, for i am a muslim sister. In fact, I will come to you guys if i need to know anything about Pakistan.

Can i ask you another simple question?

You do know that Afghanistan was not always called "Afghanistan" right??? and that Afghans were not always called "Afghan"?

You do know we were a Persian nation Bactria, Khorasan, and Aryana before we became "Afghanistan" after the british partition right?

Or do you really think Afghanistan has been called Afghanistan for thousands of years? No...Im sure you know that, inshAllah you do.


Its okay. More important is that you really need to learn your Islamic history and inshAllah I can help you with that.


Honestly...I feel sorry for both of you. Astaghfirullah, i shouldnt have been so mean, Im sorry. I did not know that you guys lack knowledge in these areas. As a muslim, im supposed to help educate you, not insult you for your ignorance. I forgot that. Forgive me.



Okay let me help you out as a muslim sister because Abu Hanifa is a revered islamic leader and it is important for us as muslims to know about his life and his contributions. Abu Hanifa was not Arab. He was Persian. His parents were merchants from Kabul! They moved to Kufa, where he was born. In case you dont know. Kufa was a persian inhabited city in modern day Iraq.

Since you wont look yourself. Heres some links to help you.

http://books.google.com/books?id=H-k9oc9xsuAC&pg=PA5&lpg=PA5&dq=abu+hanifa+merchants+in+kabul&source=web&ots=TSlOmDR2Xi&sig=MqLC6O6ugxNzDko969nO2BS8G-I&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result#PPA4,M1



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hanifa_an-Nu%E2%80%98man



http://www.al-inaam.com/library/hist_bio/ahanifa.htm



http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=855&CATE=1



http://books.google.com/books?id=hvx9jq_2L3EC&pg=RA1-PA419&lpg=RA1-PA419&dq=Kufa+Persians&source=web&ots=FaERZPy1Iq&sig=mrOI44lsK5DaDFpfHGb9wuqpGOU&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result



Brother, if you need more links on the other people I listed. Please dont hesitate to ask because it is important to gain knowledge in Islam as our Prophet (SAWS) said:



"The search of knowledge is an obligation laid on every Muslim."

-The Prophet Muhammad (SAWS)



And to respond. I told you that after Hazrat Ali (RA), Islam went into a stage of darkness and bloodshed, until the persians brought knowledge back. But that is not to discredit the arabs who contributed to islam as well, i know alot of arabs did contribute to islam as well, but the majority were not Saudi, they were from Iraq, they were not ethnic Arabs. Most advancements were from Persians of Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Uzbekistan and Iran.

The Arabs during the time of the Prophet (SAWS) and the 4 Caliphs (RA), those were the ones we should give all respect to, because they brought islam. I am a muslim. I do know that. That is basic knowledge. Im telling you about islamic history after Hazrat Ali RadhiAllahu Anhu,

At the Golden history point of Islam, when us muslims were more advanced than europeans, the credit goes to mostly persians who were the inventors, and doctors, and astronomers, scientists, etc. That is written in history. I have done alot of research about the Islamic innovators during the islamic enlightenment and i did not find thousands of arab doctors before ibn sina. So please, I as you to help me find that and educate me, because it would be a shame for me as a muslim not to know that there were thousands of muslim doctors before ibn sina. Please send me a link or something, i would like to learn about that. Again, if you want some links for the information i gave you. Please let me know brother. I will help you inshAllah


Salaam Alaykum

 
At 9:23 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

I am from Afghanistan. Do you want me to speak in both Pashto and Persian?

Persian:

Isme man Fereshta ast wa man Afghan astum. khudaya shukor. Madare man Mazariist wa Padareh man Loghariist. Man ba shahre Kabul tawalod shudam wa haleh dar Amrika zindagi mikonam.



Pashto:

zema noom Fereshta da, zeh afghan yem, zeh peh kabul ke paida shaway yem, Oos peh amerika key zwand kawam



Im tired of fighting and if you think i am that good of a liar that all this time i know so much history about Afghanistan and i also know both languages, then i dont know how else to prove to you guys. Im sorry you dont believe it. You are being just like the hindu sister that thought it is impossible for me to be muslim because im too good, now u say its impossible for me to be afghan because im too bad.

Okay, thank you for your kindness.
I hope u all can see that i really am muslim and i really am afghan.

 
At 11:10 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

And for whoever that supports or justifies the taliban. Let me just
say as an Afghan Muslim woman:

I would never ever ever ever wish upon ANY woman on the face of this
earth to ever suffer under the taliban the way that those poor Afghan
women suffered!!! EVER!!

I wouldnt wish that even on my worst enemy!!

So shame and disgrace and disgust to anyone that supports those
Haraamzadeh! They are not even at the status of "Human" and they do
not deserve the title "Muslim" and neither does anyone who supports
them!!!

They will be judged by Allah Ta'ala !



"Anyone who murders any person who had not committed murder or
horrendous crimes, it shall be as if he murdered all the people."

~Noble Quran(5:32)

 
At 9:56 AM, Blogger gutto786 said...

Just to mention a very imporatant point here.........
The Taliban in Pakistan are totally a different kind of group then the Taliban in afghanistan............

I do not support the Taliban in afghanistan.......I dun wanna get into discussion who implanted those talibans in Afghanistan ...but they are bad.......

I can understand why jalal said that he supports taliban.........coz personally I support the Taliban too...but the Taliban in pakistan....coz they totally different thinking then the Taliban in Afghanistan......

Taliban in pakistan....they want to implement "shariyat islamia"....which is perfectly OK....but they are not extremists...they dun kill men without beards...they dun kill innocent people.....well some of them do but those are just using the name of taliban.....

I hope this clears out why some pakistanis support Taliban becoz ...Taliban in pakistan are totally different then the Taliban the world knows......or the Talibans from afghanistan....

So I cud say nitheir freshta nor jalal is wrong coz u have to understand the different Talibans in pakistan and afghanistan first....

 
At 11:51 AM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Gutto786

Thank you for explaining that.Im going to ask you another question because I dont know the politics that much about your country and its wrong for me to assume something without asking a person from that region. So please let me ask you a question regarding that.


How do the taliban in Pakistan treat the women?


There are different interpretations of shariat, theres the shariat in turkey,and then theres the shariat in saudi arabia.

What kind of Shariat does the taliban in Pakistan support?



I am not a feminist, i understand the roles of women in islam but treating females like animals is NOT Islamic.

Even though I am not very friendly with pakistan, Im still a muslim female. I would never want a pakistani women to live under the taliban like afghan women did. Because they are my sisters. So if Jalal supports that, then theres no reason for me to continue talking to him, but if the pakistani taliban are much better than the afghan one, then its up to you guys. its your country.

I dont know if you guys have sisters, or mothers, or daughters, or grandmothers, but if you do, im sure you know that they have done alot, and should be treated with respect for all the hard work that they do!

 
At 1:57 PM, Blogger gutto786 said...

I didnt know there were two different versions of shariat.....and quite honestly I dont know which shariat Talibans of pakistan want to implement.....Quite frankly I dont care which shariat talibans want to implement coz I just believe on one shariat .....the shariat Prophet Mohammed borught to muslims.......There could be thousands of versions of shariat.....but if the Talibans want to implement the basic shariat of islam Iam happy with them.......

As far as respect for women is concerned....Ive been to NWFP(Area where most of Pakistani Talibans live) many times......I can assure you Ive seen people over there respecting women fully. Although due to their lack of understanding of islamic teachings they do pose some unnecessary strictness on women....but they treat women in a very nice way.......

I can tell u something for sure.... we do have mothers and sisters and daughters......In pakistan respecting women and dealing with women with manners is a must.....On the street to the family live......to offices....women are infact given more respect then men in every walk of life.......

Ofcourse there are culprits everywhere......u cant stop the ones who rape women or kills women.....but an average person in pakistan is very respectful to women and I totally give credit to women for that......becoz women do follow limitations posed by religion on them and in response they do get respect from everybody....

Not like Liberal women in west.....West claims women rights and wut not.....Look at the women in west and look at the way women is treated in west........women has the freedom to do everything....women walk naked on road....Nobdoy respects women in west.....I have white friends who openly call their moms "Bitches"....in pakistan u cant even think of that......
If we are talking about the true respect then it is given in pakistan and other muslims countries.....Ofcourse we have to understand islamic interpratation for that.........

Islam puts some limitations on women.....and inresponse wants the men to treat them with love and care and respect.......if thats what is visible in any society then surely women are treated well in that society.....

But if we are talking about the rights and freedom that westren women has...then surely we are liberal enough in pakistan to let our sisters and daughter walk naked on road......we want them to stay within islam and in reponse they get freedom for everything which islam permits.....like education,choose their own profession,treated with respect,treated love and care.......
Our women has to take care of the family.....she cant pass all her day with her friends and make her family eat Pizza and pastas everyday.......like so called free western women......thats is the only reason there is no family love and respect in west...becoz in course of giving thier women too much freedom they lost the right path....our women can work but she has to balance work and family ......same is true for men too....A man has to balance family life with his profession.......

if u think this is right then yeah women are treated well in pakistan.....

 
At 2:01 PM, Blogger gutto786 said...

I said previosuly;

"then surely we are liberal enough in pakistan to let our sisters and daughter walk naked on road"

I made a mistake.....I wanted to say:

"then surely we are "not" liberal enough in pakistan to let our sisters and daughter walk naked on road"

 
At 2:35 PM, Blogger Jalal said...

Fereshta you are obviously very confused. I know my Islamic history. I know that Afghanistan has a lot of Persians in it. I know that these people have contributed a lot to Islam. And Im sorry for diminishing it. However I dont like the way you try and act like ony Persians have done stuff for Islam. This is completely incorrect.
Why cant we accepted that all Muslim countries have done a lot for Islam. This is not a contest.
The Arabs had the Ummayad and Abbasid dynasties which brought Islam everywhere.
The Turks had the Ottoman Empire which made considerable advancements in all feilds.
The Persians had the Saffavid Empire which also made man advancements.
The Pakistanis had the Mughal Empire which brought Islam to India and made advancements.

Pakistanis have done a lot for Islam. We accepted 3 million Refugees from AFG. We accepted millions of refugees from India. We refuse to support Palestine. We have great relations with all Muslim countries.

Do you not understand that without the Taliban the position of women has not been bettered. Women are still abused and stoned. The Taliban brought stability. There was order and AFG was moving forward. Eventually it would have modernized. But by overthrowing it we must start all over again. Once we have a stable ocuntry then womens rights can be elevated.
But thats ont in the forseeable future.
Pakistan and Afghanistan need to work together. We are Muslim brothers and sisters. Were all in tihs together. India is an evil vile country as is Israel. We can never side with them. I hope you can try and understand this.

 
At 2:50 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

gutto 786

I agree with you and Im glad to hear that. Thank you for explaining it to me.

 
At 2:53 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Jalal..

I kinda agree with you but I cannot accept that you say the taliban in Afghanistan brought stability because they did not. Otherwise..I respect your opinion.

Your right every muslim nation has contributed, I didnt mean to sound like persian extremist. I respect all the islamic empires.

 
At 7:06 PM, Blogger Jalal said...

Fereshta under the Taliban Afghanistan had a real government. It had economic growth. We know that treated women terribely. But any group which gained power in AFG would do so. Name one which would. By Pakistan supporting the Taliban we wereonly trying to help Afghanistan. We got no benifet out of it. Even the US once had little or no rights for women.

It ok to disagree with me. But you shouldnt say Pakistan is evil and we havent done anything for Islam.

 
At 7:24 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Jalal

What kind of a comparison is that. Look at the differences. Are you serious. I cant believe i have to point it out to you

USA: women had no rights, but as time went on, in the future, the women got more and more rights


AFGHANISTAN: Women had no rights but as time went on, in the future, the women got more rights. later on, more time passes into recently,and...WOMEN GO BACK TO VIRTUALLY NO RIGHTS AT ALL??????


Does that make any logic, any sense whatsoever to you in your little brain????

Do you understand that people are supposed to PROGRESS FORWARD!! NOT BACKWARD??


Your right, Pakistan is not evil. The government is. I respect the people.
Your right, there are pakistanis who contributed good to islam. I agree with you on that.

But you on the other hand, i dont know what is wrong with you. You always do this, you come back randomly at the blog and keep making the fight go on and on.

I stopped fighting, in my last statement i did not say anything about pakistan being "evil" or not helping islam, i was trying to stop fighting but you like to escalate it and continue on and on and on.


I just have one question for you.

Are you educated? Have you gone to school?

Your country, your culture is not my problem. YOUR MENTALITY IS MY PROBLEM!


Taliban did not do anything beneficial in my country at all. NOTHING. Dont go there Jalal. You are obvoiusly ignorant of the situation.

You would not say this if your mother had to live under the taliban in Afghanistan,

I would like to see you support taliban in your country, after you see them stone a 50 year old widowed mother with 4 kids, to death, in front of her own children.

Then i would like to see you brag about supporting the taliban in Afg.

If your soo pro taliban, why are you here using the computer? Electronics is haraam according to the taliban and the punishment is death according to their shariat. So why are you here on the computer? And you support them?


You disgust me. Your such a hypocrit, it is disgusting.

 
At 8:46 PM, Blogger Jalal said...

Fereshta please calm down. You merely even looked at my post. You took my last scentence which wasnt even important and blew it our of proportion. Im not comparing the 2 situations at all.
An when did Afghanistan have any rights for women at all? Please show me the time period of place where it happened.
I dont consider this a fight. If this were a "fight" it would already be over. I'm just trying to educate you. I hate to see Muslims fall into the trap laid out by Indian kaffar. Their mission is to destory Islam.
I wouldn't call our government evil. Sure we hae our problems. Please remember we gave refuge to 3 million of you. We are fighting everyday for our brothers and sisters in Kashmir. We still havent recognized Israel.
And how is the Afghanistani government any better? Your country is not unified or controlled in any shape of form democraticlly.
If you have a better political party besides the Taliban then name it. NOTHING in Afghanistan is better for women. NOTHING has changed. Women are treated the same.
I dont agree with the Taliban at all. It was the right thing to do to stabalize Afghanistan. And it was working towards a peaceful country. Women could have done better. It will take decades to stabalize Afghanistan again.
You really are ignorant of what Indian dogs are feeding you. Thats why Im trying to help you understand.
Were women not stoned in Afghanistan today? Or yesterday? The sad truth is they were. And it was y somebody not part of the Taliban.

 
At 8:16 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Jalal,

You are so misguided and ignorant, I dont think anyone can help you. You have to help yourself. You have to open your mind and read a book, watch international news, get educated about whats going on around the world. Even if I give you the whole history of my country, your ignorance will not allow you to accept it.

Even though I find it odd, because alot of people know the history of my country, from Iranians to Arabs, to Americans, and even other Pakistanis, but you are so blind and confused, I dont know honestly what is wrong with you. Allahu Alim

Im only explaining this once. Let me make it simple for you

1990 was the year when women started being mistreated, being stoned to death, banned from going to school, banned from working, banned from leaving the house, forced to wear burkha or killed. etc. etc.

That was the year the taliban started taking power and imposing strict mistreatment over afghan civilians, esp the women.

Before 1990, for 100's of years women were treated respectfully. Women were in the govt, women had jobs, women had the choice to cover or not, women could leave their house without worrying that someone will throw acid on their faces. girls could go to school without worrying that their classroom will get bombed by the taliban. Boys would learn about science and history instead of wrapping bombs around their chests and reading surahs to kill kafirs.

100's OF YEARS there was no terrorism in Afg, no mistreatment of women!!!


Afghan people along with other educated people, see before their own eyes how much has changed since the taliban. And you have the nerve and the audacity to sit here and tell me that it didnt happen???? That Afghanistan was like this the whole time??

Only a blind, mentally ill person would not be able to notice the difference of afghanistan before the taliban and during the taliban. The whole world witnessed it and your denying it??

Your making yourself look like a fool. If you dont know anything, dont say anything.

For the sake of leaving some dignity for your country and your people, as a pakistani, represent your people well or you will get stereotyped. And right now you are making it look like you guys live in caves and have no idea what is going on around the world and are ignorant, selfish, stupid, and uneducated.

This is where you need to accept history, and education, or just stop and dont respond anymore, because you look like an ignorant fool and your making your people look like a fool too.

 
At 9:12 PM, Blogger gutto786 said...

Stop Fighting Guys!!!

Take it easy.......accept it that we were all better humans before and now we've all turned ignorant.
If any indian wud have been better then a pakistani then indian wudnt have been in third world.....If any pakistani was better then afghanistani then pakistan wudnt have been in the third world.....if any afghani was better then pakistani then afghanistan wudnt have been in such a misery....

We are all to be blamed for that....please Stop Fighting....Enuff of acussing and allegations......Stop it please....

We are all victims of dirty politics by US and UK....even all the US & UK citizens are nt bad....there are some black sheeps turning the world into hell......

We all have to unite to fight this....this fighting, arguments from both side, accusing others......this is all ignorance itself...

Stop this all please.....No afghani is a terrorist....No Pakistani is a terrorist.....No indian is a terrorist......we are all born as clean angels.....its the society which makes us what we are.....please help make your and others society better.....stop this arguments war...

 
At 10:30 PM, Blogger Fereshta said...

Thank you Gutto 786!!!

JazakAllah Khair!!!!!!!!

Sta na shukriya!!!!

Tashakor, zinda bashed!!!!




This is exactly what I was trying to say in the very first post i made on this blog. If you scroll up you will see that i did not intend to attack anyone. I was trying to also unite us by pointing out that we have to unite against the west, (the real terrorists) who degrade, exploit and dictate our people, our countries and our tribes to fight against each other so our foundation becomes weaker as theirs become stronger. Unity is strength. Unity is power. They know that, and they unite, but we keep fighting just like they want us to. We have to be smarter than this inshAllah. I completely agree with you.


You are sooooo riiiight !!!!!!

Thank you. I dont want to fight anymore.


MashAllah!! You are a good representation of Pakistanis and Islam!


Finally, Im done. thank you and I apologize for anything offensive, when i get mad, i say all kinds of things. forgive me for that. Im done arguing, KHALAS!


Salaam Alaykum
Allah Hafiz
Khudai Pahman

 
At 11:09 PM, Blogger Prabhjyot Singh Madan said...

Hello Faresta, how are you ? Hello gutto bhai how is life ? Hello to suraj and mayank too. The blog is still contuning on after a duration of so many months.It's nice too.
Have we given good suggestions on how to divide baluchistan from Porkistan yet ?

 
At 8:54 AM, Blogger sanyashi said...

Mass murder in the name of Islam....The worst problem is that the Muslim people are supporting this theory out of Frustration!!!! Since all these years they don't thought of giving good education to their children and secure a bright future for them. The terrorism as of today are the result of ignorance towards education. I wish any Muslim should leave a reply to me.

 
At 6:41 AM, Blogger king said...

to SANYASHI!
can u tell the solution?

 

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